X-Frame

does anyone have a shop manual that shows the 1933-1936 Reo passenger car frames with their dimensions? Could I possibly get a high res scan of that page(s) if possible? Please send a PM if you can help... many thanks! Eric

Steelman Doesn't really answer the question. Makes it sound like the '63 shared the same frame as the '64-'66 Riviera. Then again, like I said, some say that they basically pushed the '63 out the door and didn't have time to tweak a frame for it so used the base Buick cruciform on it then switched up to a unique frame from '64 onward.. Just wish someone knew for sure! Even my frame diagram charts contridict themselves. Eric

I am still a bit confused when it comes to the 1963 Riviera frame. Some say that it used the standard Buick frame of that year while others say no, it had its own unique frame. Yet, I do see conflicting diagrams by Tru-Way and GM that depict very different rear frame widths. I know that 1964 onwards seem to be basically the same with one change along the way around 1966. Can someone verify about 1963? Thanks! Eric

Did the Hupmobile use the same exact frame as the Graham during the 1930s-1940s? If not, does anyone have a shop manual showing a diagram with dimensions? Thanks!

Hey, Bringing this back to the top... wondering if anyone has a later model Graham manual showing the frames for 1938-1940'ish? Or Hupmobile? Thanks!

There are people on ebay selling them for $300 but are exposed to the elements so if your frame is in perfect condition, $600 is a good price. AND, from what I have seen both with people selling them seperate from the 42-46 years and by what I have read, the 1941 Ford frame is different (a one year only) than the other years so not sure it will fit 42-46. I am trying to solve this mystery now with another post since I understand Ford borrowed the 1941 frame design from the 1939-1940 Mercury but have no idea what that looks like. Anyone out there with a Mercury frame and pics to compare? Or shop manual diagrams with dimensions? Eric

Maybe someone can chime in to answer this? I know that (or at least read and seen sold seperately) that the 1941 Ford frame was taken from the 1939-1940 Mercury and the 41 Ford is a one-year only design. But visually I can't see much difference between the 41 and 42-46 Ford frames and have no idea what the 1939-40 Mercury frame looks like so... Does anyone have photos of the 39-40 Mercury frame so I can see if there are any drastic differences besides dimensions? Are the X braces different in design and placement? I know the 1940 Ford frame is completely different and out of the mix as is the 1947-1948. Any help solving these puzzles appreciated! Just curious, Eric

I am going to bubble this one back to the top since I still haven't been able to locate 1) a factory diagram of the 1940 Cabriolet frame and 2) no one to take or has pictures of the frame in different angles. One person said they had one but is currently in winter storage. Anyone else out there who can help right now? Thanks!

Is this a Canadian car or US model? Definitely not original if US since all Pontiac's had a X-brace while Chevrolet did not except for convertible models between 1940-1957 and tubular X on all models from 1958-1964. Pontiac had an X frame on all models (except Canadian cars) since the 1930s on to 1957 then like Chevy went to tubular X in 1958 but only until 1960.

True, I stand corrected. So, does anyone have the shop manual or a CD copy of it that has the frame diagram for the '40? Thanks!

You are correct Jon37, the manuals for 32 or 33 are not online. They have the owner's manual that shows the lube charts but doesn't help with dimensions.

Looks like Caddy55 at the Classic Cadillac Forum answered your question so posting the answer here for others. STYLE NO. 56-6237 = 1956 Coupe (56 - model year 1956 / 62 - series 62 / 37 - body style "coupe") BODY NO. FW 7321 = factory identification "manufactoring record" TRIM NO. 31 F = gray cloth / white coated fabric F = ? PAINT NO. 16-90 = Dawn gray (lower color "body") - Alpine white (upper color "top") TOP ACC EHKS (TOP = convertibles only) ACC= accessories / E = E Z Eye tinted glass / H =heater / K = air conditioner / S = power lid (remote control trunk lock?)

Eek... I worked on cars in years past using various types of lifts and when you say "high lift" gives me the creeps since they can be a bit top heavy - or seem to be! be careful! Thanks for the pics and info... Eric

c49er... your photos look great! You must have laid on the floor to tale the first one showing almost the full length of the car! From what you have shown me, the 1950 looks like it is probably representative of 1949-1952 inclusive. As for the other photos, one says 1946-48 Chrysler 8 while the other says 1948 T&C (Town and Country). Are both the same car? Is the frame (X member) the same for all convertibles from 1941-1948, not just the Town & Country? Thanks! Eric

Anyone with a 1932 and 1933 Hudson-Essex shop manual? Looking for a scan or copy of the frame page that shows the diagram with dimensions for these models. Any help greatly appreciated! Thanks! Eric

Trying to establish how the X frame looks for 1941-1952 Chryslers. Have run across one website restoring a 1948 T&C Convertible and it shows a very thin simple X brace but can't exactly establish if this was only for the T&C or all Chrysler convertibles for this time frame? I say that because other Chryslers prior and after seem to have a relatively large rectangular center plate in the middle of the X but not the '48 T&C Conv. And if this style X carried on for all 1941-1952 models or changed up along the way. It is for a project concerning the automobile X frames - for restorers to have a database and know about interchanges as well. Have been successful with other car manufacturers but Chrysler seems to be a bit of a problem showing Convertible models??? Thanks!

Thanks Fred. Is this from the 1941-1942 manual? If so, is the same as the 1946-1948 one. Odd they don't show the convertible model frame nor mention it in the charts?

Doea anyone know if the 1940 Chevrolet Cabriolet was a one-off model frame? I see it has a modified K type frame - almost an X, but don't think 1939 had it and 1941 was completely different. Does anyone have a driagram showing the outline from a manual? Thanks.

Boy how I remember the slogans and jingles! They stuck in your head before our minds were overpowered with the Internet and information overload. Also gone are the days of model year unveilings... soaped over showroom windows, covered cars, and the parties held like grand openings or movie premiers for the new model year. Now days they just slide in under the radar like we have seen them all along.. and since cars all look alike these days, they pretty much do. Eric

See that is the problem. There were 1941 and 1942 models left over before the car sale freeze, that the military took over for staff cars and "titled" them as 1943-1944-1945 models. These were the "black out models" made towards the end. But these I am asking about were "built" brand new during the freeze. Something in the back of my head says some may have been from Packard but I do believe that Chevrolet may have actually made new vehicles during those freeze years but the only company? War Department document TM-9-2800 from 1943 authorized certain light and heavy cars for staff use.. the light ones were Chevrolet, Ford, Plymouth... while the heavy ones were Packard and Buick. But most all of these were those leftover vehicles repainted for military use. Eric

West, that is what I am trying to find out... make and models. the chart I have was from the Automobile Manufacturers Association and even gave the dollar amount for the worth of these odd year cars... (1943) 139 made at $102,000 and (1944) 610 made at $447,000. In comparison 1945 I haven't heard them making any except the start of the 1946 model year and a total of 69,532 made at $57,255,000. These are "model year" and not calendar year from what I remember (don't have the book in front of me right now but figures were written down).

OK... I have seen in books but no where online yet, figures concerning the few "manufactured" automobiles during the production freeze of 1943-1945. In particular, the auto industry says there were 139 cars built in 1943 and 610 built in 1944. These would not be the 1941-42 commandeered carryovers. Does anyone know the make and models of these few rare vehicles?

Bumping this back up. Does anyone have the 1941-1942 Chrysler shop manual? Or the illustrated parts book? Again, seeking the frame that contains the X member for convertibles for 1941-1942 and assume it carried over to 1946-47 which are not shown in that manual. Anyone with a New Yorker or Windsor convertible? Thanks!

I haven't had any luck tracking down a frame diagram with dimensions for the 1946-1948 Chrysler - not even in the shop manual. Knowing pre war 1941-42 cars often have the same exact frame post war 1946-, I am wondering if anyone here has the 1941-42 Shop Manual and can check for the diagram in it for me? Again, seeking only the "convertible" models frame with the center X brace, not the closed body models. Any help geatly appreciated! Eric

1951 Windsor DeLuxe 8-Passenger Sedan and Limo: wheelbase 139.5" , overall length 222.3" Eric