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I agree with Willys-Knight 1917-18.

I am fairly sure that 1929 was the only year that this style of insignia was used.

The heavy duty wheels would maybe suggest some kind of commercial vehicle. Maybe it is one of Federal/Stewart/Republic and a whole bunch of other makes. The bullet shape headlights say it is probably about 1927-8.

Could someone organise a close-up of the rear wheel hubcap? That might help. Almost looks like a Hudson triangle.

It is a 1905 Packard car on a 1905 Packard truck. Thanks to Tim from packardsonline. http://mmm.lib.msu.edu:80/search/imagedisplay.cfm?i=EB01c091

I am beginning to think that the car in the upper pic is not actually a Packard. Too many things aren't right.

I think the Packard car might be as early as 1905. I don't think the truck is a Packard.

Looks to be a 30CV model OO from very early in the 1920s. Unusual body style which has a space at the back for a disappearing top. This type of disappearing top also appeared on the early Austin 20hp models from about 1920 like this one. http://www.roediger.co.za/austin/g20_1.htm This link is to a similar model Minerva but with a more conventional body. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1921_Minerva_OO_30_CV_tourer_by_Vanden_Plas_fl3q.JPG

We had a good look at one of these a few months ago. Note in the link shown there is a link back to this site. http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle.php?id=203779

I am fairly sure the car at the left in the first pic is a 1906 Packard. The 1905 models had the rear door opening the other way. It is interesting though that the sharp edge usually seen on the Packard radiator is absent - maybe an optical illusion? On the right is a 1905 Pope-Toledo - looks a reasonably big car so could be their 45hp Model IX. http://www.flickr.com/photos/dberry/521848830/ Still working on the car in the lower pic.

The pic is a bit small but it might be a Reo Speedwagon like this one http://www.yesterdaystruck.com/trphotos/a955.jpg I guess the date is either side of 1920.

I reckon it is American. Many US makes did right hand drive export models. The wheels are unusual - not many makes had seven stud fixing. I reckon a date of 1920 to 1922 going by the headlights but it is unusual to see something of this era with a plated radiator. From the style of cloche hats on the ladies I would say the picture was taken later in the 1920s. Definitely not Citroen - they started a bit later and with smaller cars. Can we get a closer look at either the hubcaps or the radiator badge?

I agree it is more likely a Hupp than a Studebaker. I had doubts on two issues: the wires on this car have, I think, more spokes than those on the Stude (I have a Stude of this era on wires but haven't been out to the shed to count the spokes); also the moulding at the back of the body is slightly different on the Stude. It certainly is closer to that on the Hupp pics supplied by Hugh. I was initially confused by the roof fabric which, like on the Stude, comes right over to the drip rail. I note that on the lower pic of Hugh's that that is not the case. I presume that the Hugh's Hupps are a '28 and a '29? The mystery car has elements of both. Maybe like Stude, Hupp did mid year model changes.

Grandpa, it is good to see high quality pics from an earlier era - we don't see many that are as clear as this one. I am intrigued by the spotlight mounted on the side. They seem to have been a popular (?) accessory - presumably to be able to read road signs at night. Perhaps an earlier version of the ones which were put through the windscreen (?) on '30s and '40s cars. I have seen lights like that but never the mounting bracket. I wonder who made them.

I think the wheels are wrong for Dodge and it is too big to be a DD which is on the same 109"wb as the DeSoto and Plymouth. I think it might be a 1929 Studebaker series GH Commander - about the last model to use the small hub wire wheels.

1927 Essex Speedster. I think we saw the same car in another pic taken at the same location.

Yes, I agree it is more likely to be a Stoddard-Dayton. It looked a lot like the 1913 Hudson pictured in the Standard Catalog but I missed the toolboxes on the runningboards and notice now that the cowl is a little different. Interesting that the Stoddard-Dayton doesn't appear to have hood louvres - maybe it has a flywheel fan?

2.7 miles to the next tee is along way on a bike!

1913 Hudson Model 54 - Hudson's first 6 - 421 cubes but only 54 hp.

Here are some 1904 Napiers - http://www.brighton-early.com/napier.html - you can see that the radiator shape is quite different to that in this pic.

I saw a Murphy-bodied roadster at an old car meet in northern California when I was there in 1978. I wonder if this is it. I see that the Standard Catalog reckons total production of Dobles was only about 45 cars - there is one tourer here in NZ.

It is very hard to positively identify cars from behind but I think the one on the left might be a Briscoe from around 1920 from the sharp edge at the rear corner of the body - I had a drive one of these last year. I think all of these cars would date from before about 1923.

Is it possible to get a closeup of the badge on the radiator? It will be a blur but we might see what shape it is. And maybe also whatever is hanging on the front crossmember, just to the right of the crankhandle.

That is a nice clear pic Grandpa - thanks. I ran this by the HCFI Library who thought it might be an Autocar but checking the pics in The Standard Catalog it can't be, as Autocar was still using a form of tiller steering in 1904 and then went straight to left hand drive. As well the Autocars of this era had fewer but larger louvres on the hood sides. As far as I can work out there was no Arrow car in '02/'03. The car at the top left of this last pic might be an early Pierce but then again it could be any one of many makes who aped the Mercedes/Fiat style radiator. I am guessing this picture was taken in 1904?

This one is a mystery. It looks American - probably one of the more expensive light sixes from around 1922-23 judging from the wire wheels, the step plates instead of runningboards and the headlights which are one of the more expensive types, very similar to those on this Templar http://www.conceptcarz.com/view/photo/111048,11519/1922-Templar-A-445-Roadster_photo.aspx