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19 hours ago, 58L-Y8 said:
This turned up on a "Curbside Classics" website feature, a postcard of the L.F. Jacod & Co. Chrysler-Plymouth Used Car Lot, Englewood, NJ, ca 1937.
That Packard isn’t just any production model, it’s a 1931 Packard Deluxe Eight 845 Newport Sport Sedan by Dietrich. It is an early 3-box sedan configuration with the passenger compartment forward of the rear axle plane and a coupe-style trunk integrated into the main body. It is the same body architecture as the Duesenberg J Arlington sedan by Rollston (The Twenty Grand). Three examples of the 1931 Packard 845 Newport Sport Sedan are still extant.
Added a more current image of a 1931 Packard 845 Newport Sport Sedan by Dietrich for reference.
Could that be the nose of a Duesenberg at the far right of your 1937 photo? The other cars adjacent to the '31 Packard all look to be upmarket models.
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17 hours ago, Walter Jones said:
That 28 is NICE! It has the correct winged radiator cap which I understand is unobtainable. Either someone has added a lot of stuff or it has a lot of options. Our car has a tag by the driver's door that although hard to read looks like it says T-4195-0 the 4 is hard to make out and may be a 7 or even a 1.
Regarding the radiator cap, the originals got broken very easily when the hood wasn't opened sufficiently carefully.
An acquaintance of mine who unfortunately passed away a few years ago, also the owner of the '29 touring I mentioned, had begun the process of reproducing the caps. I am not sure what had happened to the project. Another acquaintance who was also involved and would have done any machining work has also passed. That first acquaintance had accumulated quite a lot of Plymouth cars and parts, and some of the parts found their way into our shed. He was also into Toyota Crowns, as we also are, so several of his cars, all rare models, are now here as well.
Regarding that '28 tourer I will have to ask around to see who has it. Whether it was optioned up when new I don't know, although it is likely the add-ons were done at restoration time.
I will also have to enquire as to where the '29 touring went as well. The owner/builder had done a lot of engine modifications to it with the aim of getting it to do 100 mph. He was still some way from his goal when he died.
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13 hours ago, wayne sheldon said:
And THAT is one of the most common and contentious discussions often found on these antique car forums!
Yes, the subject has been discussed on these forums before. The general consensus is that body style naming was, and is, 'fluid.
Recently on a local facebook page there was a huge argument from those that insisted that a four door car couldn't be a coupe, but that hasn't stopped several makers using the term in very recent years for four door models. The arguments began when photos of a Rover P5 Coupe (with an accent over the e) - essentially a four door sedan with a different roof line - were posted and there were those that were so insistent that given half a chance I think they would have taken a court case over it.
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On 11/12/2022 at 1:16 PM, 30DodgePanel said:
Wonder what the significance was in regards to the license plate (M-1) on that last Haynes?
Absolutely love the Roaster w/golf bag storage on any model. Not even a regular golfer but it adds a classy touch to any of them.
Interesting that the golf bag door is on the left. Normally on a left-hand drive car I would expect to see it on the right side. I believe though that some custom makers put one on each side. I wonder if the interior of the trunk was eventually lined or was it left with the bare framing showing.
My Studebaker has its golf bag door on the right, likely because they didn't make a right-hand drive variant of the tail section, due to the very small number built.
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16 hours ago, Walter Jones said:
I am curious as to how many and where any are that are still out there. I haven't found any more online or in person or any records of any being listed for sale.
Do you have one? Do you know anyone that does? Have you seen any at shows? Have you ever owned one?
I was told there was one in South Bend Indiana being restored and one in Italy that has been restored but that's the only mention I have found here in the US or Europe. There seems to be some in Australia.
More info here - 1929 Plymouth Model U (ply33.com)
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16 hours ago, Walter Jones said:
I am curious as to how many and where any are that are still out there. I haven't found any more online or in person or any records of any being listed for sale.
Do you have one? Do you know anyone that does? Have you seen any at shows? Have you ever owned one?
I was told there was one in South Bend Indiana being restored and one in Italy that has been restored but that's the only mention I have found here in the US or Europe. There seems to be some in Australia.
Here is one that was sold in OZ, though I don't know how long ago - Plymouth Model U Tourer 1929 — Rainsford Collectable Cars
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3 hours ago, Walter Jones said:
Maybe the person that made the plaque mistook the RHD number for the number of touring cars. What I have found in other places also says no production numbers are available
If you searched '1929 Plymouth touring' you will have a little more luck, though not much more. Note in the list of models from The Standard Catalog the abbreviation 'Tr' is used. Ford may have tried to make their touring cars sound more upmarket by calling them phaetons but few others in that era did. Of course after 1930 open cars became more limited production and the upper market makers gave them fancier names.
I know of one 1929 Plymouth touring here in NZ, though I don't have a photo of it, and there may be more. Remember though that our Plymouths were sourced from Canada. There are also a few roadsters here, along with one cabriolet, which I think is probably the rarest variant. Plymouths were popular in NZ and in 1929 had 4.9% of the market with 1050 new registrations. We have a 1929 sedan which still has its original interior.
The attached photo is a 1928 touring in NZ. I can only assume it is the genuine article as, unlike some other makes e.g. Buick and Studebaker, Plymouths did not have a body data plates with the body code on them.
Any you find in Australia will likely have locally built bodies. Even though Australia and New Zealand are close together (actually three hours by plane or several days by ship apart) their respective car markets have always been quite different due to local rules and tarriffs.
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4 hours ago, Tom Boehm said:
St. Regis was also a Jesuit Catholic Priest like Marquette. St. Claire was a catholic nun in the middle ages. It is a possibility that these cars were not named after saints directly. The Dodge St. Regis was probably named after the hotel and the Wills Sainte Claire could have been named after the St. Clair River or Lake St. Clair in Michigan.
Studebaker used the name St Regis Brougham for their victoria coupe body style in 1932-33.
The Wills Saint Claire was designed and built by Childe Harold Wills (the designer of the Ford T) in a factory built on the banks of the St Claire River.
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On 11/12/2022 at 7:04 AM, 1937hd45 said:
Bugatti named some models after race tracks and towns Brescia being one of them.
The majority of Bugattis were given simple 'Type' names.
In the Type 57 series of the 1930s three of the four body styles offered were named for mountain peaks and passes - Galibier, Ventoux and Stelvio.
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On 11/12/2022 at 12:14 PM, Paul Dobbin said:
In 1936. Studebaker had a model called a "Dictator" and had to drop the model name a few years later because of Germany's Dictator. Anybidy know what they change that model into?
Studebaker first used the name Dictator in late 1927. It 'dictated' the standard to which cars were built. The next model up was the Commander (of the world), and the President name is self explanatory. Studebaker continued with essentially a three model (sometimes more) line right through to 1935 when they dropped the Commander line and went back to two models only. From 1938 on the Dictator name was dropped and the Commander name resurrected. I guess by then it had become politically expedient to do so. For some unexplained reason the export Dictators in the later 1920s were named Director, although for how long I don't know. My 1928-built, 1929 model is a Director.
14 hours ago, 8E45E said:I was making a statement to emphasize the term 'Dictator' did NOT always have the bad connotations it received in the mid-1930's in Europe.
Same with the Swastika. It was actually a stamp-of-approval for many cast iron fittings and used other consumer products until the 1920's. A notable example:
The swastika is or course "a very ancient religious symbol...." - Swastika - Wikipedia
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On 11/12/2022 at 6:44 AM, 1937hd45 said:
Washington, Grant, Cadillac, LaSalle
According to The Standard Catalog the various Grant car makes were all named for their founders, and not the more famous general.
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2 hours ago, 1937hd45 said:
Even though the Bugatti crew look very French in their berets I suspect the photo location might actually be the USA.
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On 11/10/2022 at 9:30 AM, jeff_a said:
Unknown Car From a British Website.........
(being chain-driven may give one a clue, my guess is a 1904 Locomobile Model "C" based on the picture of a car Geronimo was posed in)
From Vintman - "Research advises another website has same photo stating car is in front of King Edward VII bridge under construction in Newcastle-upon-Tyne. The bridge was designed by a Charles Harrison of the North Eastern Railway comprising four lattice steel spans resting on concrete piers and was opened by the King in July 1906. Car is c1904 Gladiator 10HP Rear Entrance Tonneau."
With its Durham registration the car is about 20 miles from home.
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5 hours ago, 30DodgePanel said:
Also searched this thread for Bugatti Type 23 but did not find it so here's a look at one in case we've missed it...
That is the Type 13 Bugatti in which he was second in the 1911 French Grand Prix, the first important competition outing for any Bugatti car. That GP was not organised by the l'ACF but by the Auto Club de la Sarthe et de l'Ouest and run on a 54km course at LeMans. Victor Hemery in an S61 Fiat won outright completing seven laps of the circuit in 7 hours and six minutes and 30 seconds and the Bugatti was flagged off ten minutes - at two laps(!) - behind him. The rest of the field were one or more laps behind the Bugatti. Lots more here, including doubt about the actual identity of the driver. 1911 French Grand Prix - The Nostalgia Forum - The Autosport Forums
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1912 Overland maybe?
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On 11/8/2022 at 10:18 AM, DLynskey said:
I'm guessing a 1928 Model 52. It could be a year or two older, but 1928 was the last year of that body style and the roof contour looks like 1928. It could also be a larger model, but it looks to me like the small 4-cylinder model.
Don
I reckon it is a six by the headlamp buckets. Note the green car has a large bucket and the white car Keiser posted has small ones. From what I have seen, but without checking parts books, the headlamps were exclusive to each model.
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1 hour ago, jeff_a said:
Unknown Car From a British Website.........
(being chain-driven may give one a clue, my guess is a 1904 Locomobile Model "C")
I don't know the make but the J registration says the location is Durham in the north of England. The lower run of the drive chain appears to be obscured by the part of what looks to be a double sprag. There doesn't look to be a brake on the rear wheel, maybe it relied on the cardan shaft brake?
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One of the lesser-known Americans from the late 1920s. Maybe a Chandler??
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A mystery 1933 Dodge. The car has right hand drive but from what I can see its registration plate looks North American.
I think the car is one of the Canadian-built, Plymouth-based Dodges.
Does the phone number code look familiar to anybody?
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19 hours ago, 30DodgePanel said:
Oldsmobile.
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8 hours ago, 58L-Y8 said:
A better look at the Fairhaven Fire Department:
Second from left looks to be a Buick Model D light commercial chassis.
Next to it a Pope-Hartford. Did they make commercial chassis or is it just a beefed-up touring car?
In the middle looks to be an American LaFrance 'proper' fire engine. I wonder if it is the more common Type 12 pumper with the 5 1/2" x 6" 855 cid six, of which quite a few remain, or might it be the big Type 15 pumper which used a 7 1/8" x 8" 1915 cid six. The model is mentioned in my 1914 Floyd Clymer book but I have never actually seen a photo of one of these in service.
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20 hours ago, 30DodgePanel said:
I guess this is some sort of city sightseeing bus. I don't know the make but I think I have seen photos of similar looking chassis used as fire engines.
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1 hour ago, 8E45E said:
Oakland ultimately became Pontiac after Alfred Sloan bought it out and integrated it into his GM fold.
Overland was a product of Willys.
Craig
Oakland was actually bought by Billy Durant in 1909, one of the first of his acquisitions after setting up GM.
Regarding Oakland/Overland, I think people have been confusing the two makes ever since and continue to do so to this day.
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On 11/5/2022 at 1:27 PM, mikewest said:
I have a set of original wood wheels and rings that measure 31 inches. I havent been able to track down a car with 31
The width appears to be 4 inches. . I need to clean the rim and see what is stamped on it.
The only car other than the big Oldsmobiles and Underslungs that I know of that used very large wheels was the Detroit-built Owen of 1910-11. Information in books says the wheel size was 42 inches but what the actual rim size was I don't know. The Owen car bears a passing resemblance to the Old Autocrat. There are plenty of photos and ads to be found on the net.
Cadillac with accessory mouldings??
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A photo from a facebook page. When I first looked at it, I thought - a 60 Special, but those little vertical strip mouldings aren't right, and aren't right for any 60 Special. I guess they were an aftermarket item to 'upgrade' your regular Cadillac?