John N. Packard Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 Anyone know what type of hose clamps Packard originally provided on their 1954 models?jnp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Randy Berger Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 John, from the 48-54 parts book it appears they used both the tower/screw clamp and the corbin clamps. I always called corbin clamps the @#$%^&F^%$ing clamps till I bought those goofy pliers to handle them.YFAM, Randy Berger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCraigH Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 Hey Randy:How much do those special pliers to handle the [color:"red"] @#$%^&F^%$ corbin clamps typically cost??? <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Randy Berger Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 Craig, I got a new pair at an auto swap meet for $3.00. I think they're Plews brand, but the clamps are still [color:"blue"] @#$%^&F^%$ corbin clamps. By the way our 55-56s use corbin clamps everywhere but clamping the short hose from the water pump to the tranny cooler. That's a special clamp and I've never seen it used on any other car.YFAM, Randy Berger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John N. Packard Posted September 26, 2003 Author Share Posted September 26, 2003 Thanks Randy, I figured that you might have the answer! I have a bunch of the corbin type clamps; but thought perhaps they were for later year vehicles. I have the pliers to use with these clamps and mine are notched for either straight on or right angle use. Don't remember where I got them; but they do help.jnp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Randy Berger Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 Brian, the one odd clamp on the water pump has what looks to be a serrated edge, sort of like piecrust that had been pinch-welded with a fork. I'll try to get a picture of same. I didn't notice it but friend Chris B. pointed it out to me several years ago.YFAM, Randy Berger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Randy Berger Posted September 27, 2003 Share Posted September 27, 2003 Brian, took several pictures of clamp but none showed the edge as I hoped it would. I'm assuming they used that type of clamp because it clamps the hose to a rough sand casting as opposed to the rad outlets which are smooth formed metal.YFAM, Randy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Randy Berger Posted September 29, 2003 Share Posted September 29, 2003 Brian, since they installed smaller nozzles on all unleaded pumps, and you can't buy anything else in Pa., the automatic pump shut-off does not work on the 400. With some hearing loss I have to bend down and listen closely to hear the gas coming up the pipe so it doesn't overflow. I am rarely successful in containing spillage completely and may invent some insert for the filler tube, perhaps reprising Packard's famous whistle. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />YFAM, Randy Berger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCraigH Posted September 29, 2003 Share Posted September 29, 2003 Randy: re: gas tank filler neck.The gas pump shut offs don't work on my Pat in NV either. Both the air-quality rubber-bellows-seal type in Las Vegas and the "naked" ones in Pahrump (no air polution concerns there). So I have two questions for the readers of this forum:(1) Does anyone know of an already-existing "insert" as you mentioned. It seems to me that there ought to be one since all the older cars should have this problem.(2) I've been considering relocating the gas fill location for my Panther. The Pat has a lid lock and the stainless "accent surround" (or whatever you call that decorative thingie) and is fine as is. However, the filler flip door on the Panther (nee Clipper) will be "out there" on an otherwise clean rear side. If I relocated it, I could also fix the aforementioned problem. Anyone have any suggestions? [color:"red"] It this turns into a major discussion, we ought to move it to a new thread since it has nothing to do with hose clamps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
52deluxe Posted September 29, 2003 Share Posted September 29, 2003 when i took the packard on vacation in july i was soaked with gas because the pump shut off does not work here in ny. i would be very intersted in some sort of insert not only to save my pants but the paint as well. there used to be a thing you could get at the auto parts store when they finaly phased out leaded gas that slid into the filler neck "dad had to get one for his truck to pass utah inspection" but i have not seen them in at least 10 years. i have some running around to do tomarrow i will stop at the local hardware store and see what i can find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Randy Berger Posted September 29, 2003 Share Posted September 29, 2003 Craig, good idea to start a new thread - I think a majority of us have the problem.YFAM, Randy Berger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Randy Berger Posted September 29, 2003 Share Posted September 29, 2003 Brian, that is the clamp - exactly. I don't remember reading Wittek's name but there is a number, 20 or 30 stamped on my clamp. The ridges around the edge of the clamp make it unique. I'm almost tempted to remove my clamp to get a good pic - I said almost!YFAM, Randy Berger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John N. Packard Posted October 1, 2003 Author Share Posted October 1, 2003 Brian, Are you saying that this is the correct type hose clamp for the 1954 Packards? If so, where does one get them?jnp <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John N. Packard Posted October 3, 2003 Author Share Posted October 3, 2003 Thanks Brian for clearing up my confusion! I was at the Carlisle swap meet today and the only type of clamps that I found were the aftermarket worm gear type. There is a fellow named Johnson from Texas who advertises in the Cormorant News Bulletin that he can supply the correct type clamps for all Packards. I'm primarily interested in documentation at this point. I'm certain that the two wire type that I have on my '54 now are not correct. I believe they are a pre-WWII type of clamp. I also have used them on my '47 Clipper. I'm currently detailing the engine compartment on my '54 Patrician and thought while I was about it I should use the right parts. As an aside, I'm currently rebuilding the Carter WCFB carbureator. The top and bottom appear to be silver and the mid-section bronze. At Carlisle Larry Isgro had a WCFB restored that way so I assume it is correct. He must use a clearcoat on the carbs as well because they have a glossy finish. I'm using the Eastwood Carb Re-new paints and get a flat finish.jnp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John N. Packard Posted October 5, 2003 Author Share Posted October 5, 2003 Thanks Brian, That factory photo of the engine compartment is probably the way to go. The illustrations in the sales folders tend to be stylized versions. My parts book (48-54) gives no hint in the illustrations as to what the clamps are. I bolted the WCFB carburetor back on the car today. Discovered while researching it in the 1955 shop manual that I left out the needle valve under the acceleration jets; so had to take it back apart and correct that problem. Typically I use a parts car or part to figure things out. I make sketches; but even with them I can get confused. Now the issue is the decal for the air cleaner horn. I have the decals from PI; but one they say is for all the '54s except the 359 cid motor. The parts car has a decal that is listed in the PI catalog for the '55s and '56s. I guess I'll look under some hoods at Hershey this coming weekend to see what I can learn. I'm leaning toward using the '55/'56 decal. Then the issue becomes where does it go on the air horn! Ain't this fun!jnp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Randy Berger Posted October 5, 2003 Share Posted October 5, 2003 John the 54 359 motor used the same air cleaner decal as 55-56. Other 54 motors used a different decal,YFAM, Randy Berger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John N. Packard Posted October 5, 2003 Author Share Posted October 5, 2003 Randy, That was my guess. On my parts car the decal is located at about the hour hand 10:30 position as viewed from the left side of the vehicle. From the PI document I interpret that it should be at the 9:00 o'clock position?Brian, Thanks for the tip on the Service Counselors. I have the 1954 edition and will look for the picture that you mention. I talked with an AACA judge recently who suggested that in AACA judging uniformity may be more important than authenticity. I interpreted him to be saying that if corbin clamps were used in one location, they should be used in all. This probably doesn't hold in all cases but suggests that factory documentation would be useful where your car has differences. A number of people have suggested that one value of the HPOF vehicles is the same as the abandoned vehicle that you mention.jnp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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