Is Frank Millers car the same as Joel Naive? In looking through dads Mercer Associates Roster from 1962 it shows Frank Miller Glendale, Ohio the owner of type 35-K ser # 1186. Fast forward to a roster from 1993 it shows #1186 belonging to Joel Naive ex Ed King ex Frank Miller. Just for the record, my car # 2011, belonged to Jim Proffit ex Dick Teague ex Bill & Doug Magee ex H.Morris Borrows ex J.E.Miller ex Tom Carstens. It is sad that all but one of the '13 & '14 runabouts were cut up into raceabouts. Having lived with both, the runabout has the creature comforts that along with the smooth transmission makes it a delight to drive. I have to add that Roger Ellis is still a hero to me in that he succeeded in building the 35-F when most thought it a folly. Credits also go to Fred Hoch who built parts that "they" said couldn't be built. I first met both in dads garage counting ring & pinion teeth on dads raceabout figuring out a gear ratio for the racer. Still a fond memory. Karl