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Don't sweat it, Pat. As Hemiragtop put it so eliquently <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I don't think the AACA will lose sleep over it............rest easy. </div></div> . Or as Mr. Marcus was so fond of saying, no one is valuable or more valuable than any one else and can be replaced. I forget the exact quotation...its been over 25 years.
Let us just say I do not fit in with the group and let it go at that.
Pax vobis cum. ('vobitis cum' just sounded weird...)
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Don't know...don't care...I for one won't renew mine.
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I have a '47 6269 sedan that I am looking to sell. It is all original except for the Delco radio which I had rebuilt to get FM. You can see it on the Collectable Automobile Photo Post...if interested, please email me and we can chat.
My insurance is through Allstate and they insure my classics through Haggerty but...now get this...without the requirements for a locked garage! Also (and maybe this is because I live in Colorado) I have no usage restrictions. In fact, I run the '47 as a daily driver. Its paint is OK, not great and not original (it was Antionette Blue) and I will admit the vacuum wipers don't work...I am working on that...but other than that it runs beautifully. What a car to drive!
I will say that no power steering, or brakes, make it a real driving car. I love it.
My other car is a '77 Eldorado Biarritz and, my son and I are redoing a 1956 Cadillac 6219 .
Oh yeah...my utility vehicle is a 1981 Chevy C-10 Pickup with an inline 6. Great truck too.
BTW I have had no trouble finding parts.
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First car I remember that was in my family was our 1956 Plymouth Savoy sedan, baby blue with a black and white hounds tooth interior. A great car with a strong V-8 and 3 on the tree. It was strong, fast and comfortable...not as comfortable as their previous '48 Chrysler but it was paid for quickly and lasted until 1964 when they sold it for a 1964 Plymouth Valient convertible.
Nice picture!
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I am also very sorry to hear about your car. Problem is, because the courts are so full and the jails stuffed to the rafters with pot heads, those miserable little jerks won't get much in either time or cost. I'm all for rigging cars with booby traps ... anyway, I have a suggestion : could your local shop possibly use their paint scanning system to match the paint as it is now on the car? Then use the closest hue for the new fender? Museum restoration departments do this for aged artifacts and it could work for you. It will not be easy so I doubt the local MAACO will want the job but surely someone can be found to attempt it.
My friend opines that due to todays lazy individuals this is not a viable answer....humph.
Just a thought. Good luck, Chris.
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Really??? Which Cad? And I once ran a Pizza Hut....heh
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Who? ME? Nah...what would I do with the CLC??? LOL
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I have to agree with most everyone so far. I love the looks of the car and as far as kustomization goes, this is pretty mild. I like that. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Hey I recognise its a personal thing so I can enjoy what others do! Seriously, I love what you have done and hope you enjoy your car for as long as it gives you pleasure. Painting the valance was the right touch....it really does balance out the car. Good luck.
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The CLC website is down for renovation and relocation to new servers. It should be up soon.
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Hey at least SOMETHING about it was Lincoln based!!! LOL
Wonderful thread!! Thanks so much. That was fun!!!
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Hi Jeff. I would suggest you check the auto trader online and eBay for those cars. Also check with the local Cadillac LaSalle Club to see what is available. I am sure you will find something.
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Not to step on any toes, but could this be to a 1956 Lincoln Capri? It sure looks like it to me...I will see if I can find a pic to share. What do you all think?
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<peeking out from under my rock again>
Dave, I see old cars, in excellent shape generally, alot here in Colorado. But if you want numbers I think you best bet would be the Insurance Institute of America or a group like Haggerty. They should have some interesting statistical data available.
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A very nice, and well presented biography, John. Thank you for the introduction to a local treasure.
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Hey Mika!
What a find! Tell us a little more about it. How did you find it and what condition is it in (beyond what we can see that is).
It looks like a great project and will be a wonderful addition to your collection. Congratulations!
Best of luck!
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In fact, I should have added that to my post. Thank you, 52deluxe!! Very good points.
Please keep all the pieces if you do kustomize it, and either store them correctly (don't just stuff it in the garage) or sell it to someone who can use it. Obviously it would be better to have the original pieces with the car should you sell it but this is an imperfect world.
Please, everyone, do not miss understand me or my intention here. I want people to be able to discuss this subject, even to debate it, but my basic feeling is that a car that is kustomized is no longer a representative of that production line, or marque. It may be unique and have much to say for it and the owner, but as a collector series it is lost. I am an archaeologist (among other things) and I understand the idea that to learn and progress, you destroy what is most treasured about the past. I recognise it and do all I can to preserve what is old. Just think of the nameless people who treasured or hid the books and works of the Classical period when the world was changing circa 500 A.D. Were it not for them we would have nothing of Plato or Aristotle, Pythagoras or Heraclitus. It is an effort well worth our attention. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> That is another .02 Drachmas worth.
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I have to agree with you guys. Packard55, I am not assaulting you, really. I hope my posts have clarified why members of these clubs react poorly to modifications. I doubt anyone would deny the technological or creativity in modifiers or hotrodders, it is just not what we do.
On the subject of cost and expense in this hobby I would like to say something. I am on disability, and have relatively little to spend on anything. I am very fortunate to have a home provided by my family, but before that I paid rent like everyone else. Even so, I have had good collector cars. My 1947 Cadillac has gradually improved as I have afforded time and money to make those improvements. I maintain it with regular maintenance, often on my own but at times with the help of my local mechanic. I simply budget for it. It means months go by, years even, to get some things done. Fortunately the car is drivable so I can enjoy it. Gas is very expensive but again I budget for it. I have found good insurance at a good price to cover and replace should that be necessary. It has taken a couple of years to finally reach a budgetary position to do it, but I work at it and as with all things, slow and steady wins the race.
These are not concours cars...just well maintained, beautiful drivers. There are flaws in paint and chrome, but what the heck? They are cars and are used for what they were made. I make no pretense in that. Reliable? You bet!! The '47 and the '77 are very reliable. I juggle each month which car gets attention and any special work or parts. I drive my 57 year old car to Denver and back regularly, over 100 miles round trip at 75 mph. I know the signs of problems and since I maintain it, I know what to expect...anything else is an act of god. That is why I carry AAA <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> That 100 mile towing is awesome.
There is no need to replace the engine and tranny unless that is what you want to do.
Whatever reason you have is yours. But I can tell you that I have had more trouble from my 'modern' cars than I have ever had with my 'old' cars. If yours is unreliable, then take it to a mechanic, or several for multiple opinions, and find out what your baseline is. Then make a list of the most critical items and take care of them as you can. Just don't let the car sit unless it is dead. I have found regular use (exercise) helps keep the engine and drivetrain in good shape. Remember, cars of the 40s and 50s required more general maintenance than modern cars. Check you user manual or shop manual and follow its schedule to the 'T'.
...and stop worrying about it. Enjoy it. Drive it.
If you choose ultimately to modify it, then that is your choice but do not fool yourself into thinking you have to.
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What wonderful news!!! I am so glad your friend was able to recover his car and in good shape.
Please pass my congratulations and best wishes to him with the hope that he can enjoy his car without fear of losing it again.
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Wow and I thought you guys were all getting along after the long thread on lowering the car,
Packard55, the whole point of clubs like the AACA and Packard Club is the preservation of the cars that remain. That does not mean modifying is bad but it runs contrary to the goals of these clubs. You knew this the moment you logged on...if not you should have...and you knew how these people feel about the Packard marque. I am a little at a loss as to why you take umbrage towards their obvious reactions. To each his own. I prefer to see my car as something I am custodian of rather than an owner of...but that is me. At any rate, a Packard like the one on eBay are not well known commodities, so it will not sell quickly and those who know the marque will be less likely to want to spend that kind of money knowing they will have to try and return it to original shape. Modify yours as you like and it will become an expression of you, but it will not be a Packard, simply another 50s car with a Packard badge.
But do not expect collectors and enthusiasts to accept it. THat is just silly.
That is my .02 centavos worth.
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Hi Packard8,
Thanks for the good response. Of course you are totally correct about the engine. Reliability is mostly dependant on how the engine is kept. I have found my 47's flathead V-8 is very reliable as long as you maintain it properly. And I would turn my nose up at a 47 sedan with a Pontiac V-8 and TH100 tranny. Why? Because if I wanted a modern car that looked like a 47, then I would do that, but I do not...I wanted a 1947 car. So yes I see why the CLIPPER coupe would be less desirable with a new small block chebby.
As for the low numbers of coupes, that does not surprise me. The 47 series 62 and 61 coupes are highly prized over the lowly sedan. I have an Eldorado and love it but in all honesty prefer the sedans. Personally I liked the Packard coupe. But I would also like to see it restored to original if possible. Here is an instance of the misuse of the word 'restore' verses 'rebuild' *( please dont shoot me...I know this is a PHartmann issue but I think in this case he was right). The car was rebuilt to be used not restored. It is an excellent candidate for a project restoration since it does run and is in good condition. I would think it would be a good candidate for someone who is in the hobby but who has yet to get that special car. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Thanks again for your response.
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I saw that eBay Packard, and thought it was a nice car. I cannot imagine why a engine swap should make it unsellable. Basically, I feel the original is far better just on principle but if the engine and tranny were kept, then it could be restored. Now I do have a question (and I do not mean it to sound derogatory) about the Clipper brand. Was it the low end model? It seems to me that it was pretty plain and uninspiring. The seats are monotone (yes I know they are worn) and it seemed kind of blah. What made this car special? Performance? Quality value? I thought they were supposed to be more unique and special. Anyone care to address this? I admit this is just my ignorance of the marque so please do not take it the wrong way.
As for Packard55, I do not see what he might have said here or in the past that would ruffle feathers this way. Just curious...as a former administrator I am pretty keen on offenders so I wanted to ask.
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That is for certain, Frank. My Dad told me that when spring rolled around, the first thing they did in Minnesota was wash, and wax the car. Then it was time to clean and repaint the white walls!!! It took all day, usually on a Saturday. That was in 1940. I clean mine once a week...I just do not like a dirty car. Its something of a thing with me...like wearing clean undies.
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Hi Peter,
Well as with all things its in the buyers perview. However, go to one of the Buy/Sell forums on here and look the general value up using the NADA site..there are one or two others as well.
Then check eBay...see what people are asking for 1978 Coupe de Villes. Also pickup a copy of Hemmings News and see what they are going for in their sales area. That should give you a starting point. Good luck.
1956 cadillac length
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It depends on the model.
Series 62 sedan 6219 = 214.9 " Eldorado Convertible 6267S = 222.2"
Sedan De Ville 62390 = 221.9 " Eldorado Coupe (Seville) 6237S = 222.2"
Series 62 coupe 6237 = 221.9" Series 75 Limo 7533 = 235.7"
Coupe De Ville 62370 = 221.9"
Coupe Convertible 6267 = 221.9"
Taken from the Automobile Manufacturers Association Consolidated Specification Questionaire
provided by GM Historical Services.