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    Want to BUY Police Car.

    in Automobiles and Parts - Buy/Sell

    Posted

    Thanks to all of you for the help. Most of those vehicles i was aware of but I appreciate you letting me know about them anyway. One never knows. I like the Hudson alot but think that one is a little too far past my abilities. I'd sure like to find one of those in a nicer condition and pay much more of course. Thanks again. I do appreciate the help. db

    Want to BUY Police Car.

    in Automobiles and Parts - Buy/Sell

    Posted

    Would like to buy a Police Car. Prefer late 40's or early 50's but will consider any 64 or earlier. Vehicle should drive reliably and can be an older restoration or even a presentable original. Fresh restoration also considered. Make unimportant though an odd make is always preferable to me. Clones considered as well if really done nice. Any help appreciated. Contact davbergltd@aol.com Thanks.

    Want to buy .... DeSoto Taxi Cab

    in Desoto

    Posted

    Larry, thanks for the info about the Chrysler Taxi. I have purchased a 1949 DeSoto taxi but would prefer the body style of 48 and older. Unfortunately yours would be too big of a project for me. I am looking more for a car that is a nice older restoration or even a fresh one at this point. Thanks again though. Dave.

    What happened to the Model T Ford SPEEDSTER Ban at AACA National

    in AACA - Class Judging

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    There has never been a ban on showing a Model T Speedster at an AACA National Meet. However, if the judging team does its job correctly the point deductions should easily add up to enough to take the vehicle below the minimum required for any of the various awards. Note I said "IF" the judging team has done its job correctly. The greatest majority of the time that is what happens. Sometimes however as humans we do make mistakes. There is no excuse for it on this well known speedster. It is mentioned in virtually every judging school every year. Although I can recall one around 1985 that actually wore a First Junior badge. Truthfully that should have been one of those rare occasions that the award is "officially" revoked. though it wasn't.

    The problem isnt that the "Speedster" is encouraged to be shown. AACA certainly does not do that. The problem is that when an owner fills out the car registration it often reads something like this...

    1914 Ford T, 4 cyl. Roadster

    sounds quite legit, right... then enters the field long after registration has accepted the entry card. The people on the field parking cars are volunteers and may or may not be aware, nor could it matter at that time anyway. So no one is encouraging them. There is simply no rule in place that says if they are properly registered they cannot enter the show field. When they do manage to get in though, we are hopeful the judging team will do its job and take the appropriate deductions.

    As for the questions about the Depot Hacks and station Wagons on the "T" chassis. As most of you know "T"'s were available and could be bought in "Chassis Only" form. On rare occasion T's have been shown in the T class as Chassis Only. This is legitimate. The various Ford agents of the day in cooperation with Siverson often advertized the availability of the Siverson Wooden Body Hack. Ford also used such ads from time to time. Dealers even offered to install the "Factory Authorized" Siverson wood body on the newly purchased chassis for the customer. Thus this type of body was "Grandfathered" into the AACA judging system long before any of us became judges. Even had it not been by virtue of Ford's occasional use of the advertizing a sufficient argument could have been made for the "Factory Authorized" part which we would today accept as authentic. While it is certainly possible though awfully remote that such similar advertizing could have established something similar for the "Speedster" body, the judging committee has never seen it. Even if it did exist the other modifications that generally take place on the speedsters should still score it down to beyond contention for any award.

    Now to the reality of the Model T speedster.... They are a really fun car to own and drive, albeit a tad risky for an unaware passenger as my wife can attest to! I agree they should not be awarded judging prizes but I would have one in a minute just to have a good time with it.

    I hope this info will clear up some of the speculation on this vehicle.

    Rocky Mountain brakes.

    in AACA - Class Judging

    Posted

    To the best of my knowledge Rocky Mountain brakes have never been categorized as an allowed safety feature for judging. That being the case they would earn you a deduction. To have an item added to the safety feature list you would need to contact the VP Class Judging and show cause as to why the vehicle is not safe without your mentioned item or that your state or some other state(s)requires that feature in order to drive the car on its roads, ie seat belts and turn signals in most states.

    Documentation of Factory Options?

    in AACA - Class Judging

    Posted

    carbking, Thats probably not a bad idea. The only flaws that I see in it are that we dont know who the particular judging team will be until we arrive at that particular meet. Also at some of the larger National Meets where well over a thousand show cars compete it could get overwhelming. Still the idea does have merit to it and perhaps its something the judging committee could look into. Along the same lines when items that are quite unusual are submitted to the VP Class Judging they often get studied by many of the judging committee as well as technical committee. Many times these items end up as topics in the national judging schools held during the year.

    So anyway you look at it your idea as well as some variations of it can do us a great deal of good in several ways. Thanks very much for mentioning it.

    Documentation of Factory Options?

    in AACA - Class Judging

    Posted

    I haven't commented in awhile so I guess I should shake some of the dust off with this one. First off the copy shown above would be fine for AACA judging. However not all copies are. Here is what you need and why: 1) The copy needs to clearly show that it is a factory publication or factory authorized one AND that it is for that particular vehicle. This one that is shown above does that. However, we did have a fellow once photocopy the covers of his early 40's documentation and the pages of late 40's documentation relative to smaller lenses and bind them together. If my memory is correct it was a sealed beam question on other than the headlights. The exact issue doesn't matter here as much as the result. At any rate the judge accepted the documentation as genuine and allowed the lenses without deduction. The vehicle won an award. It should not have. Further the judge, now educated by the documentation took deductions on the vehicles in the class with the proper lenses because according to what he had just learned they were not the same as the ones he just learned to be correct!! Needless to say the outcome of this class was upside down. Most would think this a bizarre incident but it is not the only time things like this have happened. Certainly we could ask a lot of questions like where was the Team Captain, the Deputy etc and so on. I do not know the answers. I was a very young judge back then and knew very little which was just a pinch less than now! The motto is though if you are going to bring photocopies of your documentation be sure they do state clearly that they are factory issued or authorized and for that particular year vehicle. That way you are covered and the judge with the question may genuinely learn the correct answer. Truthfully to me the biggest benefit in judging at National Meets is that every time out there you do learn something new.

    Want to buy Nameplate badge for Henny Killowatt

    in Electric Cars (Milburn, Baker, etc.)

    Posted

    Thanks guys, for the leads. I will work on them. Also still need the interior dome light lens for a 1914 Detroit Electric. Should be the same or similar to any Detroit, Baker, Milburn etc of that period if anyone has one sitting around. Still need set of carriage lamps for the 1905 Columbia Electric Victoria. Anything period would be fine and type would be fine. Need windshield (plexiglass) for 1955 Autoette Electric (same as Electric Shopper from Long Beach Ca.) Need manual(s) badly for 1979-80 Electric Freeway. Any help always appreciated. thanks Dave

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