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Stumbled upon a podcast with Rob Myers (from RM) hosted by someone by the name of Jason Stein. The subject was the growth of RM and his career in the antique car hobby. Part way through, Rob mentioned that he has acquired the subject Packard that he has been chasing for over 30 years. I spent some time looking back through this thread and it is amazing how a narrow minded subject as this can garner so much interest. Enjoyed the reread. Needless to say, like everyone else, I would like to know more info. Looking forward to seeing the restoration completed. I'm sure RM will do a marvellous job.
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Matt, thank you for letting us ride along with the comings and goings of the big boy toys that you have your hands on. The car looks great with the black walls. Enjoy the show in Miami. I'm sure it will be a very good show as RM does everything first class. Any more photos of your travels and the show would be greatly appreciated.
Brian
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Terrible news to hear of the passing of a TRUE car guy. My wife and I attended Pebble when Joe won best of show in 2013. Got introduced to Joe at the show by one of the fellows from RM. I had quite a passion for the car which Joe seemed to recognize. I remember saying to him "This is the holy grail of Packards" I think he got a kick out of that. After the show concluded the guys from RM told Joe I was the biggest fan of the car and asked Joe if it would be okay to take me for a ride. Next think you know, due to Joes kindness, here we are driving down 17 mile drive, top down, in the Best of Show Packard. Went from commoner too king for a day. I think Joe and his family showed suburb classics at more concours that any other collectors over the years. Thanks Joe for the ride - RIP
Photo from the New Jersey Monthly.
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On 1/9/2024 at 6:24 PM, Matt Goist said:
@packard12man Would you be willing to share your file you have on this car? I am its current caretaker. What are the origins of the B&W Photo of the man standing next to it?
A deep inspection of the underside reveals hints of what it was red. It is definitely the same car.
Matt, I think I acquired the B&W photo off of Flickr. Don't remember the date or place. I don't have a whole lot of info on '33's, wish I was of more help. Being as Pebble is featuring Packards this year, I can only assume you will be showing a car??? I am hoping to attend and will try and look you up.
The above 2 photos came from the Book "The Classic Car" by Kimes
The below 4 page article came from Car Collector 1995
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West, thanks for the reply on the Maybelline Dietrich. I enjoy researching the history on the individual Dietrich's. Between the Chicago connection and the Gooding Article (referring to a sports sedan), I thought I may have been onto something. Needless to say - the Maybelline saga continues. My condolences in the loss of your friend John Bohmer.
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I just read the catalogue description from Gooding regarding the Green Dietrich Conv. Sedan - putting stock in an auction catalogue description to say the least is going out on a limb but Mr Bohmer makes mention of a 34 Sport Sedan parts car in Chicago. The odds have to be pretty good that the parts car is the remains of the missing Maybelline car. To bad Mr Bohmer is not with us any longer to ask the question!
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Looking forward to the upcoming Pebble Beach auctions. Any expert guesses on the selling prices of the three Dietrich's?
My 2 cents worth - Mecum's Brown Conv Sedan 800K, Gooding Green Conv Sedan 600K and the RM 33 Victoria 2.6M
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On 7/13/2023 at 10:31 PM, Matt Goist said:
I am just finding this thread now, I should check these forums more often. I'll contribute this one for now, as I do not think it has been posted yet. Pretty well known car. Ex-Otis Chandler
One of three 1933 Sport Phaetons ever built, currently receiving some long overdue maintenance by yours truly.
I have heard that all three made appearances at major 1933 auto shows. I would like to confirm where this one potentially went, if anyone has history to share privately or publicly.
For that matter, any history anyone has to share on this example or any of the 1933 Sport Phaetons is greatly appreciated.
Briggs Cunningham owned a '33 Sport Phaeton, now in the REVS Institute, still in the same condition/restoration when owned by Briggs. This is the Blue one.
I believe the third remaining one (painted green at one point) also lives out here in CA, sharing floorspace with the survivor '33 convertible runabout.
Matt, congratulations on working on a big boy toy. I am sending along a few photos you might enjoy. If you are a member of the CCCA, and you go on their website, and search for Bayard Badenhausen in the bulletins, there is an interesting tale of the blue sport phaeton owned before Briggs Cunningham ownership.
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In regards to the upcoming Dietrich book, it is being published by Dalton Watson Fine Books. Unsure of the original date as I have seen reference to 1961 and 1981. Possibly the book was written and never published!! If it was 1961 both the text and photos should prove interesting as Dietrich and many of his contemporaries were still alive with 1st hand knowledge of the era. Below is the link to the website where I became aware of the book.
https://www.daltonwatson.com/Raymond-Henri-Dietrich-Automotive-Architect-p/dietrich.htm
In relation to the Smith Auction regarding the '34 Town Car, you are right Packard marketed it as an All Weather Cabriolet. When I mentioned that it was low on the totem pole of collectability I was comparing it to the other individual customs not the factory sedans. Does anybody have any guesses as to the hammer price?
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Eagerly awaiting this new book on the life and times of Ray Dietrich.
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Looking for some of the experts to comment on the 34 Packard Town Car in the upcoming Mark Smith Auction.
I realize Town Cars are about as low as you can go on the collectability scale - BUT the more I look at the photos the more I like it. Auction estimate is 40-60K which in my opinion it is worth more than that in parts. The cost of restoration would probably be double or triple the selling price of the finished product. Ed Blend states that in his opinion only one was produced. Going through my files I thought I had come across a 2nd car - my thought being the chrome rad shell and European headlights. Then I spotted a rotary club decal on the windshield so obviously it's the same car. Gooding's site gives very little info as to the history but apparently it spent some of its life in France and then Mexico. If I was 20 years younger and not a tractor mechanic Id buy it myself just to save it from becoming a parts car! Ed Blend also stated that it is a Dietrich design built in the Packard custom body shop and marketed and labeled as a LeBaron. "I'm confused"
After discussion with the wife, she's says I can't buy it - so it's up to someone else to save it.
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Question for the Dietrich experts.
Curious to know the amount of aluminum used by Dietrich - I'm pretty sure the doors are skinned in aluminum, but I wondering was the cowl, gas tank apron, rumble seat lid and parts
of the body shell also aluminum? And is there a difference between the open cars vs the closed cars in materials used?
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Time to broaden my horizons as I am running low on Dietrich material. As per the comments about the Holy Grail, you would assume this is on every Packard enthusiast top 5 list.
Photos obtained off of the internet over the years.
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A couple of Deluxe 8 Conv. Victoria's that I saved off of the internet years ago. Anyone know the whereabouts of these two cars today or where these photos were taken?
Of note - the 2nd car - headlights, door handles and rad mascot - looks like a possible European delivery!
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Looking for an answer from some history buffs regarding the following photo. I spent half the day today on the internet trying to answer my own question but no luck. My question is - Was the Car of the Dome displayed at the 1934 New York auto show? Not a great shot but it appears the 4th car from the left is a Dietrich Sport Sedan. The wife asked me the question - Why do
you care about this stuff - and to be honest - I can't come up with a good answer!!
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Looking for an installer with a little sleight of hand so I can sneak this accessory past the Judges at Pebble Beach. HEHE
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Hershey 1981 - Bob Bahre at the wheel in one of his signature sweaters. Steve Gunder (restorer) is the passenger. Good memories of when they used to take some of the cars into the stadium for photos and a lap around the track.
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After a short lull I'm back. Due to Covid 19 and supply chain issues my shelves are getting a little bare. Waiting for more stock from my suppliers. (you guys!!) My contribution for the day.
A few more photos to follow
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Looking for opinions on what I consider to be the Holy Grail. It's a car that you have to study in person to absorb all the details. Some details - The way the leading edge of the running board melds into the trailing edge of the front fenders. No side mounts which accentuates the curvature of the hood vents. The pontoon fenders while being close to the other LeBarons are not identical (at least the front ones). The fender crown is slightly more pronounced and the pointed bead at the front gives it a more finished look. Also the pontoon fenders with no side mounts and the blind quarter Victoria body style make the car look like it's a mile long. The only Dietrich delivered with vent windows. A neat engineering trick - when you wind down the side window there is a little click and then you can wind down the vent window. The colour is a perfect suit for the car but I often wonder if it is an authentic 34 colour. Generally the fully chromed rad shell and shutters are a distraction on a Dietrich but somehow it suits this car perfect. Hard to believe this special didn't warrant factory photos on the Packard turntable. Of all the Dietrich's this one may have the most interesting background. Can you imagine driving down the boulevard in the middle of the great depression amongst a sea of Fords and Plymouth's!! As much as I like the car no rear mounts or just one would be an improvement. When I look at the first photo with the ocean background I can't help but think of Cruella Deville. My secretary (wife) is getting a little cheesed off - so that's enough for today.
More photos to follow;
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Here is a period photo of a 33 Conv. Sedan. Unusual painted headlight buckets and also a cool set of Lee tires!
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Here's a Packard memo that states that you could order a 34 Dietrich with a Super 8 motor. Although if they ever built one it is pure conjecture, but Ed Blend did say in his book that reputedly 2 Sport Sedans were built.
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To a Packard enthusiast finding one of these today would be like finding the Holy Grail.
Photos obtained from CCCA, Nethercutt collection & Bahre collection,
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When I began this topic I had no idea that the responses would be so entertaining and I certainly learned a few things. When you consider there's only about 60 of these cars in existence over the 3 year period it's amazing how many responses the topic has generated.
Looking for opinions from the experts - over the past number of years the Conv. Sedans have stayed at roughly the same value. I realize they are slightly more common than the other body styles but they are only generating a 1/3 of the price - with the survival rate of about 20 Conv. Sedans you are not likely to run into another one at the local Walmart. There is lot of nostalgia to a rumble seat or a Dual Cowl Phaeton but I think aesthetically the conv. sedan is every bit as pleasing to look at. The same market trend seems to apply to all Conv. Sedans whether it be Cadillac, Lincoln, Duesenberg, etc. The following photos are cars that have changed hands in the past few years (a couple of them more than once). The topic has given me the incentive to update my roster on the 1108's. According to my figures (which may not be perfectly accurate) there were 78 individual customs in 1934 of which I can account for roughly half of them. An amazing survival rate given the context of the times in the '30's - Gas Rationing, Lack of tires, World War II scrap drives and by the late 30's and 40's they were just a gas eating monsters.
The above photos where all copied from the following internet sites - RM, Mecum, Worldwide and Gooding.
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Dietrich Individual Customs - 32/33/34
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Posted · Edited by packard12man (see edit history)
Dietrich enthusiasts - Below is a link for a Dietrich for sale on "Bring a Trailer". Superb photography, video and terrific read on the restoration. Restoration costs are mind boggling and these bills are from 2010. Prices have probably doubled since then. Any opinions on the car and the final selling price??
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1934-packard-1108-twelve-dietrich-individual-custom-convertible-sedan/