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  1. Thanks for letting me know. I think I will continue to play with the C22C that I am currently trying to restore as it was built in 1939 at the Canadian plant in Windsor, Ont like my Dodge was albeit in 1938. If I find that the engine is unrepairable then I will keep the engine the car currently has in it since it’s running without any issues. Cheers.
  2. The engine that is currently in the vehicle is definitely the 23” block, it also has a 2” spacer between the fan and the pulley in order to keep the blade closer to the radiator. The S/N that is stamped on the block is NAP 071 with the numbers being half the size as the letters. I have attached a couple photos. Any insights on what motor is currently in the vehicle? I have done some preliminary research and coming up blank, but still looking.......
  3. The car that I am doing a full, body off frame, restoration is a 1938 Dodge Business Coupe D10 (Cdn built in Windsor Ontario), which is similar to the USA D8 with some minor differences which I have yet to identify what they are (other than the Cdn models had a slightly different body colour pallet). In doing a bit more research on the engine that I am rebuilding, (not the one in the car itself) I found this on Wikipedia: "There were essentially two lines of flathead inline-sixes made by the Chrysler Corporation. Chrysler and DeSoto used a longer 25 in (640 mm) block with greater cylinder spacing, while Dodge and Plymouth shared a 23 in (580 mm) block. There is one exception to this: when Chrysler established an engine foundry in Windsor, Canada in 1938, it was decided to only use the long block for all Canadian-built engines. These engines received a trailing "C" in their designation, becoming P8C for example." Therefore the S/N number on the block being rebuilt, C22C2765, tells me that this is a C22 engine, that was actually made in Windsor Ontario given that it has the trailing 'C'. I realize that only I would find this fascinating, but the trailing 'C' in the number is starting to make sense, and maybe by some fortuitous stroke of blind luck, they might actually fit together when push comes to shove and I decide to put it into the vehicle while I rebuild the existing motor.
  4. Thanks, IF the motor gets used (still a big if at this point) for my ‘38, the only running it gets is in sunny days in the summer going to the local car shows, so there isn’t a lot of strain, but as we all know the intermittent use has its own draw backs. Running my hands around the inside of the cylinder walls reveals no pits, scratches, or not even any wear marks. They walls feel smooth as smooth can be. There is a bit of rust at the top of each cylinder wall where where the top of the piston was sitting, but even that feels like it can get honed out. I may be still be missing something and will get a much better look at it when it’s all cleaned up. So far I am pleased, but it’s still too early to be certain.
  5. I agree 60FlatTop - the engine that is currently in the vehicle runs perfectly fine and doesn’t burn a drop of oil. There is no point in messing up a good thing. The motor I am working on will ultimately be a ‘spare’ if all the stars align. I took the head off, and popped the pistons out, and found the head and valves to be a bit of a mess, but the pistons and cylinder walls were in amazingly good shape. The crank also seems to be in fine condition, but time will tell.
  6. That makes sense. I think the body man read something wrong or was looking in the wrong spot.
  7. It's apparently stamped on the upper left hand side of the block under the head. I haven't seen it personally, but asked the body man to tell me what was stamped in that location. This is what he told me, however I may need to take a run out to validate what he is looking at.
  8. Here is what the girl looked like before I started in on it.
  9. In looking at the engine that I currently have in the vehicle it is stamped AP-071. I was previously told that the motor is not original, but I would like to get some indication of what it is. Therefore from doing some research trying to get some info about this model of the flathead the computer keeps directing me to a Ford website. Any insights?? Thanks
  10. Thanks, that is my plan - the learning part. I am in the midst of an off the frame resto on the ‘38 keeping it as stock as I can keep it. The engine it currently has in it doesn’t seem to be giving me any issues whatsoever, however since I was given these two motors and I have some down time, I thought ‘what the heck’, let’s see how far I can take it, and who knows what I may end up with. After taking the head off there was a lot of rust in the cooling system, the pistons are shot, but the cylinder walls seem smooth and not pitted, so hopefully a polish should suffice. Given that this is not an engine I am relying on to get the car up and running, the engines are being used to fill time while I wait for the body man to finish the work he has to do before it goes on the rotisserie. I don’t do body work, but the mechanical is more my interest, so I have a bit of down time before I get the chassis and I can start to do my thing. I really appreciate all the comments, and history on this motor as I like telling people stories about the car and how it runs when it is at the various local shows.
  11. Awesome info - Thanks! I want to do a good job, but the motor in my ‘38 Business Coupe runs perfectly fine, so this is a project to keep me busy (and out of my wife’s hair) until the snow melts. Once completed I have no idea what to do with it afterwards. But one step at a time. Your tips are very helpful as the last time I rebuild an engine was 40 years ago.
  12. Hi folks - it’s been a long time since I had the time to tackle this project. Here are a few pics of what I am up against. Any hints of the year would be appreciated, and any tips or tricks I should be aware of before getting too far also appreciated. I have multiple carbs, distributors, fuel pumps, etc that were in the box of goodies that came with the motors. They sat outside in the rain for a number of years, so even though I am hopeful, there is probably only a slim chance of success. thanks
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