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The Standard Catalog says there were 1729 1928 Chrysler 72 convertible coupes built. I think it reasonable to assume any right hand drive examples of less common body styles would have been special order only. I don't know of any of your model here in NZ.
At least for Chrysler most of the production records exist. For Studebaker there are detailed records surviving for pre 1935 cars, only model totals. My 1929 cabriolet (non folding top) is the only known surviving right hand drive example - one of two imported to NZ by the agent. As its golf bag door is on the right I guess they did not do a right hand drive (left side door) body section. I think it reasonable to assume that there may have been less than 1,000 built total in left hand drive as there is only one known restored left hand drive survivor. There may be the odd one put away somewhere.
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Any ideas? Something less common I think - Jordan maybe?
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1 hour ago, George Cole said:
It was originally manufactured for and delivered to Newman Transportation Co in Nelson, NZ in Nov 1947. It changed hands twice after that, before being purchased by someone in Chicago and imported to the U.S., in 1985. That owner died several years ago and his brother sold the car to Beverly Hills Car Club. I purchased it from them in January. I'm working with someone in NZ right now who's trying to find out more of the car's NZ history, but so far he's not having much luck. And yes, I've been driving around here with NZ plates. I fouind the ideal spot to mount the Florida license plate...under the passenger front seat.
So far the constables have left me alone.
I posted a couple of your pics on a local facebook page a short time ago. Enquiries are ongoing from there. 2 pm Sunday here at the moment. Hope someone will see it this evening and get back to me.
Which engine does your car have?
If you did not already know Newman Brothers was a very well-known pioneering transport company. First with horse-drawn coaches, then service cars (mostly modified Cadillacs) and then buses - Newman Brothers (theprow.org.nz)
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Interesting to see that your Jaguar is wearing a New Zealand registration plate. Small world coincidence - in the 1980s I owned a 1976 Chevrolet Chevette that had been privately imported to NZ and first registered on 28 July 1978 - its plate was IY6313, so I guess about then is when your car was reregistered after restoration? Your Jaguar's plate is no longer on carjam so must have been exported before 1996 when the system was computerised. The Chevette is still out there somewhere as it has not been deregistered, although I think its ownership and history since I sold it is 1991 is murky to say the least - Report - IY6313 - 1976 CHEVROLET CHEVETTE in Blue | CARJAM
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6 hours ago, Gary_Ash said:
I found these old photos on the wall of the Jumbo supermarket in Wassenaar (The Hague), Netherlands today. Let’s see if anyone can identify the vehicles. I included a bonus photo of a more modern 2seater sports car that won’t be easy. The clock starts now…
Ever seen one of these?
The top truck is a WW2 era Austin K series. It may have begun life as a Austin K2/Y military ambulance. The second one used to be a Ford.
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52 minutes ago, edinmass said:
It’s much smaller than a truck chassis……especially the wheels and hubs………the wheel bearings are much smaller than the 1917. So far I have personally inspected three 30 hp cars one 13 and two 15’s. It’s not a 30 chassis. (Early on I thought it was) I have seen two 45hp cars………both 1916’s. The front and rear end are not 45’s and neither is the steering box/wheel. I’m supposed to go see two 60 hp cars (in line six) in the next six to eight weeks. One is a 13 and the other is a 16. Really don’t know what to expect till I get my hands on them…….but they have bigger tires and hubs than this car……….to be honest……I think this is a bunch of parts tossed together at the factory………the other dual plug car was unavailable to me when I went to look at it last week due to a family emergency. That car has the same fuel system, wheel and box, dual plug head. The funny headlights on the car were patented in 1913 and fist installed in mid 1914 from what I have seen……but there are no less than five different electric headlights that are unique to white from 14 to 18 and no consistent install dates on them. The entire car is much smaller than my 17….. Buick size ……..it almost looks like a mid range priced/size car compared to the 17 which is basically similar in size to a Crane, Winton, Pierce or similar car. Body construction isn’t as good as the Rubay body……….windshield is smaller than the 1917 but very similar. Measuring the windshield compared to the 1916 30 it was larger.
The wheels on this car are 1914 Goodyear’s that were last made in March/April(so I have been told), and are different construction than the 1917 wheels. The 17 is the flanged inner with a ring and lock ring on the outside…..the more modern version of the ‘straight sidewall’ style tire while the small car has the two reversible rings and lock ring to go either clincher or straight wall. So maybe truck wheels from 1915 as the truck reference is the only 24 inch wheel reference I have ever seen for a White vehicle…….all the car info shows no 24 inch except 1914 40hp chassis…………the listing above for trucks sure reads like Firestone rims. The small car has Goodyear rims.
Then there is the possibility it’s a “estate car/truck” chassis with a car body instead of the multi purpose bodies they were building. Is there any material that is exclusive to the estate built lines? I have posted the advertisements for them, but haven’t seen anything else on them.
Ed, no disrespect intended as this is an interesting debate. Would it be better if you moved the whole thing (maybe copy and paste each comment???) to another thread where it would be much easier for the rest of us to follow? Maybe even write up as an article.
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This one is a mid 1920s Peugeot Type 172 Quadrilette. From the registration plate the photo may have been taken in the Dijon area.
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From a facebook page of old NY pics - "Broadway and Hotel Victoria, New York City ca.1905"
The wiki page about NY plates says 1910 was the first year for state issued plates. The plate on this car fits the pattern of the 1910-thru 1912 issues but looks to be a light colour. I guess the plate on the car is an 'owner supplied' one. I guess, as happened here in NZ, there was enough demand that there were businesses that would make plates for you.
Vehicle registration plates of New York - Wikipedia
Any ideas what the car might be? Maybe a Kreiger electric cab?
I am guessing that is hand crank piano on the cart on the right?
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Thanks to Neil Settle on Flickr for this one.
"Nash Kelvinator prototype automobile air conditioning unit circa 1930 factory photo."
Since the Kelvinator Division made appliances, including refrigerators, it’s ironic that Packard was first to make AC a production option in 1940.
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5 hours ago, JACK M said:
Thanks guys, I always thought of Fedco being a Chrysler thing.
Guess I am still learning.
By 1930 Dodge was part of Chrysler (I think the official takeover date was sometime in mid 1928), although for a few years they were still building cars that were 'Dodge only'. The 1930 DD was first 'corporate' Dodge, sharing parts with other Chrysler models. Walter Chrysler had wanted to buy Dodge earlier but couldn't get it from the banks so he established Plymouth and DeSoto instead. It took a while to juggle the makes in their market positions - initially Dodge was above DeSoto but by the mid 1930s it was decided to make DeSoto the 'higher price' make.
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14 minutes ago, jukejunkie1015 said:
I would live to grab a few parts off the Chrysler
That 'Chrysler' is a 1930 Buick.
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6 hours ago, 58L-Y8 said:
Here's a better look at that unique sedan by D'Ieteren Freres:
Early 1920s Fiat 510.
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Is this a cab-over (forward control) military truck??
Nowadays you would just shift it with a big forklift but they didn't exist then. The whole shipping process was much more labour intensive and potentially expensive.
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Four bolts suggests a 'lighter' car - maybe Essex Terraplane??
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On ebay, among other places - 1924 Buick Other | eBay
Any thought on its id plate. The seller suggests it is from Europe but other places used right hand drive -
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On 7/28/2017 at 3:12 PM, Guest No1Packardman said:
Erndog,
Are you still restoring this car? I am toying with doing the same thing with a 1930 Buick with an Oval window. It looks like I will be going thru the same thing you have. Should I pursue it?
Tim
No lower belt moulding so earlier than 1926.
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The Brooklands, UK, race circuit, probably early 1920s. In the foreground what might be a JAP engined Morgan with its chassis extended. Maybe for stability on the Outer Circuit?
Any thoughts on the big coupe in the background? A Buick with a custom coupe body maybe - or something bigger?
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The most obvious difference between the 1925 and 1926 coach bodies is the second belt moulding on the 1926 cars. Exactly at what date on the calendar that was introduced I don't know.
The literature says the the 1925 cars continued to use the head lamp tie bar which ran between the lamps necessitating right and left side shells and the 1926 cars had the tie bar below the lamps meaning they could use the same shells for each side. BUT there are 1925 cars out there which have the bar below the lamps.
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7 hours ago, Kdnatives said:
Thanks. I thought all 1938 Studebakers had headlights built into the fender rather than the bullet headlight mounted by the engine side panel, but now I see 38s had both styles.
The 'base' Commander (production 19,260) used the regular lights like the car in the pic. The State Commander (production 22,053) and the President and State President (production 5,474) had the built-in lights. The price difference between the base model and State Commander was $75.
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Out of curiosity I have flipped the photo to see how it looks.
I haven't worked out the make but I think the car dates from not earlier than 1913 and most cars were still right hand drive at that time.
Not many cars of that era had the front fender curved like that.
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17 minutes ago, modela28 said:
I believe the car is a 1909 Regal.
Could be - hubcaps match - thanks to Varun Coutinho for the pics -
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1 hour ago, LCK81403 said:
Now this is an interesting photo; love these accident photos. The skid mark by the right front wheel into the road bed shows the car slid and stopped against the safety wall. The car probably was not going fast up so there probably was not an excessive speed factor. There appears to be snow on the side of the road, at the left of the photo. Perhaps there was a slippage and traction problem that contributed to the accident. It appears that the hood (bonnet) came apart in two pieces. Perhaps the right king pin broke, or a number of wooden wheel spokes broke. It appears that the right front wheel is cranked over hard left, while the left front wheel is over at hard right. Thank you, Peter.
There might have been some skid marks in the occupants' underwear as well - 😉😁
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Fiat 501s were popular in NZ and quite a few have survived. These two are 501S models, and have added front wheel brakes.
The car on the left has a rare period Silvani overhead valve conversion, one of only a handful surviving. It has worn that plate since 1964.
The other plate is an NZ personalised plate fitted to it in 2002.
I think in that era they were all right hand drive - even for the Italian market.
For those that don't know the engine in the 501 is a 1460 cc side valve four. Thye always went very well taking into account how small the engine is. Due to mostly mountainous nature of their home country the original gearbox had effectively three low gears and top. A, now late, friend of used it supply a different size internal gear wheel which would raise the ratios of the three lower gears. His 501, a 1920 car with a rare Italian factory body, had various mods, including a Silvani head, and would cruise comfortable at 55 mph with power to spare for passing.
Most 501s had painted radiators and two wheel brakes.
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8 hours ago, Craig Gillingham said:
I'd say this is a 510 FIAT; a side valve 6 cylinder. The 501 was a side valve 4 cylinder. The 510 was a larger and more expensive vehicle.
I am 99% sure it is a 501. The 510 was a much bigger car - this one is in NZ -
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So far the constables have left me alone.
Chrysler records 1928
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That doesn't look like a factory Chrysler body. The sloped windscreen (I use that term when referring to or corresponding with 'British' people, and windshield for Americans - 😉) suggests a later date to me. Maybe a much more recent build? There may be other clues - a coachbuilder's plate maybe? I notice it doesn't have cowl lamps - I presume it has park lamps incorporated in the head lamps?
Your car looks to be riding quite high at the rear. I wonder if it was originally a sedan and has stiffer than necessary rear springs. I know that most factories supplied body-type-specific rated springs.
Re the golf bag door - to me if the car has right hand drive the door should be on the left - the side on the kerb where you unload your clubs, or whatever else you car carrying in there.
One of the few times we have actually used the golf bag door on my Studebaker was during its 400 mile delivery trip home in 2020. My son had his tool kit in there. Not an ideal place when doing road side repairs. The body is correct and original. The car's history is known from the day it arrived in NZ. I think the car had one of the nicest 'derrieres' of any car of the era.