Packard8 Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 Just saw this on the local Craigslist...cheaper by the dozen. Sheesh, wish I had a place to put them!Reply to: anon-57108123@craigslist.orgDate: 2005-01-26, 5:24PM PSTThe cars are currently stored in a building and unless and until I remove them pictures are quite difficult to take. If you live in the area you are most welcome to come by and see them in person.I have a storage problem because of new zoning laws in my city and must dispose of most of my Packard collection. The cars I have are 1955 and 1956 as follows:2 ea. 1955 Clippers8 ea. 1955 Patricians2 ea. 1956 ClippersAll cars are basically complete with good bodies and good glass and trim. All have complete drive trains and all are restorable. 3 Patricians and 1 1956 Clipper will run and drive but still need restoration. Cars that run are $1000.00 ea. Others are $500.00 ea. If you want all 12 you get a great bargain as I will sell all 12 to one party for $5000.00. I must dispose of these vehicles in the next two months. The cars are located in Richmond, Ca. (a City 20 miles north of Oakland, Ca)Bryan Wold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Kennedy Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 Do any of the Seniors have A/C. I would be interested in purchasing the under the dash unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packard8 Posted January 30, 2005 Author Share Posted January 30, 2005 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do any of the Seniors have A/C. I would be interested in purchasing the under the dash unit. </div></div>Hi Bill,I don't know anything about the cars, I just copied & pasted the ad from craigslist. You can contact the seller and ask, but it looks like he is just selling whole cars.A heck of a deal for someone with the room to store them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Kennedy Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 Thanks--I sent him an e-mail. Your right, it is an unbelieable deal but I am out of room and also my wife has run out of patience with me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JT Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 http://www.classiccar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1999 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Kennedy Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 I did not know this. I was going on the photo on Page 147 of Dennis Adler's book "Packard". Thanks, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56-352 Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 I need to find a place to get some gaskets for a 352 possibly ones for high compression. I have an old packard drag engine.also need some other misc. parts. If anyone can help please e-mail me @jeffholtz@mchsi.com Thanks,JeffHoltz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCraigH Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 Jeff, what's non-stock about this "old drag engine?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AlK Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 I have 3 things to add here on this:#1 I posed the same question about A/C and he answered back that he did not have one available, the only one he had was the one on his 56 '400' and he is keeping that one.#2 I am not the reigning expert here by any means, but it is my understanding that the 'intergrated into the dash' A/C setup was a 1956 only option. The 55's had the trunk mounted unit with the plastic cones coming up out of the package tray. That is what I have on mine. I have the compressor and all i need is the evaporator and the dryer to get it to the A/C shop for hoses and hookup. I was looking for another complete unit to put in the wifes bookend car.#3 A friend of mine and I are contemplating pooling our resources and getting all of them. He has the place to put them, the main problem at the moment is the transportation from the west coast to the south east and of course the where-with-all to pull the trigger on this deal in a timely fashion. I would hate to see this cache go to the crusher but.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Randy Berger Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 AlK, 55 and 56 A/C units are almost identical. All the intructions are in the 55 shop manual and pictured in a 55 Packard and the parts book lists components of the A/C like group 30.824 as 55th, 56th so I have to assume it was available for both years.YFAM, Randy Berger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AlK Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 RandyLike I said I am no expert, but all of the 56 Patricians that I have seen with air have them in the dash, and all of the 55's had the rear mounted blower, so i don't know how else to interpret that, maybe the books combined in 56 and they just put in the 56 setup, don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AlK Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 Brian:I just replaced the glove box a while back and found nothing. I also have re-upholstered the car and found nothing there either. The car had been re-upholstered before I got it so maybe the build sheet is probably long gone. This car did not have air to begin with. I put it in myself from a parts car, but it had no engine so the A/C compressor was gone as well. However when the temp warms up a bit I have to go to where the car is and maybe, just maybe, it has it's original build sheet and perhaps that will give us some clues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56-352 Posted February 2, 2005 Share Posted February 2, 2005 well considering i havnt tore it down yet the gentelman that gave it to me as a young man was a wel respected machinist and napa store owner,he built this for a yong man who had been racing it bone stock in a 52 ford and was unbeatable. as the story goes the guy died a week after the engine was done long story made short they put jahns 13:1 pistons in it iskendarian cam and valve train. I realize its kind of dumb to assume but the old guy didnt lie about anything. My dilema now is i dont wanna tear it down till i have some gaskets its all brand new 25 years ago anyway,its never been fired. so if you can help with my previous request i would appreciate it. Just so you know im not a rookie I own my own big block olds powered pro streetcar and an 03 dirtwrks open wheel modified. thanks for the reply,JeffHoltz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_PackardV8 Posted February 2, 2005 Share Posted February 2, 2005 "...its all brand new 25 years ago anyway,its never been fired. "I'm curious, WHY do want to tear it down????For head gaskets try Packards1@aol.com or mnpacsler@aol.com or Kanter. Be sure to specify that u want the original metal type and not a modern composite wich mite be thicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56-352 Posted February 2, 2005 Share Posted February 2, 2005 The reason i want to take it apart is i dont want to take a chnce that the cylinders have got some surface rust and therefore scoring the cyl., piston and or probablybreaking a ring. Just dont want to be stupid. thanks for the info on gaskets. Im curious your the 2nd person that was concerned about the thickness of the head gasket. The reason i woder is that the thinner the gasket the smaller the combustion chamber therefore making more compression,"13:1, or is there something im missing on the packard. Thanks again, Jeff Holtz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCraigH Posted February 2, 2005 Share Posted February 2, 2005 I concur about poppin' the heads off and inspecting the cylinders. While the heads are off, I suggest that you should CC one of the chambers & it's companion piston top to determine actual CR. I can provide the depth of the original combustion chamber floor for comparision.Also, degreeing and lift measuring the cam (0.050" lobe lift) would be interesting to find out what Isky cam profile was selected. Do you know when this engine work was done and hence the era of the cam grind?Finally, from external inspection down the int/exh ports, is there any obvious porting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56-352 Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 hey guys thanks for feedback again.Im on the same paige as you guys iwant to know exactly what ive got when im done.I could really use the stock deck height and cyl. head chamber dimensions if one of you havethem. Also im pretty sure I can get the orignal cam specs from Isky. Thats the great thing about the old companies is that every cam was a custom grind and isky recorded them all. Im told that Racer Brown had some simalar numbering that crosses over to isky. Hopefully I wont have to do it the hard way. And yes the heads have had some noticable exhaust work done to them, very smooth. Like you guys im dying to hear it run, i have plans to run it on the dyno and at this point Ill probably have to sell it do to my racing sickness if you knw what I mean. however if the right oppurtunity arises Im sure Ill have to follow it. Hearing it run is one thing but driving it would be a longtime dream. talk to you guys as soon as i know more. Thanks, Jeff Holtz By the way i think it was built in 1960 ive had it for 25 years I apologize if i mislead you.before i got it though it was in a temp. cntrolled enviorment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55PackardGuy Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Your in luck, 56-352!There was an entire thread devoted to block deck height, and after much measuring and comparing (by others much more knowledgable than me, the consensus WAS:10.625" (or 10 5/8)The piston "quench" area clearance at TDC: .045"You can check the thread out easily, it's still on the first-page list. I posted an attachment there of a combustion chamber drawing which may interest you as well.This is a fascinating piece of Packard racing history you have. My favorite part is the story that it was "unbeatable" in STOCK FORM. Guess unbeatable wasn't good enough, as all racers seem to know in their hearts. We also have a regular poster on this board who raced a '55 Packard Clipper Panama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55PackardGuy Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 BTW, you might want to go ahead and start a thread on this engine. Call it the Race-Ready 352 or something!You might want to hang on to that baby when you get it going. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56-352 Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Hey,55 packardguy I couldnt find the drawing, this web site is a maze to me.could you send it to my e-mail.jeffholtz@mchsi.com Thanks,Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted February 4, 2005 Share Posted February 4, 2005 I think this is the Drawing: See Attachment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55PackardGuy Posted February 4, 2005 Share Posted February 4, 2005 Yep, that's the drawing I was referring to.This should take you to the thread:http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/showflat....amp;amp;fpart=1To start a new thread on this topic, just click on the Post button at the top of the page that lists all the threads.Once you get used to it, this is a very user-friendly site.Enjoy!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packard8 Posted February 15, 2005 Author Share Posted February 15, 2005 Update on the California Packard Herd. I went over there Sunday and bought a ?55 Pat, mainly for the factory A/C (I might get ambitious and put it in the ?56 Carib). Most of the complete cars are sold, and I?m glad to see that as he only has about a week left to get them off the property. I?m afraid a few good parts cars will go to the crusher if no one rescues them (I think they could be had for next to nothing if you can get them gone by Feb 22nd).I really feel for the guy?.. he is in a mixed industrial/ghetto area and I doubt that the neighbors (the ones with their cars on milk crates in the street) are the ones behind his predicament. I suspect it is some PC City bureaucrat with too much time on his hands who envisions an ?urban renewal? 50 years from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packard8 Posted February 16, 2005 Author Share Posted February 16, 2005 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">John -WRT <span style="font-style: italic">AlK</span>'s previous questions in this thread involving A/C (begun in post #272570 of 01/31/05 01:52 PM), does the system from that '55 Pat have I/P-mounted vents or are they in the rear parcel shelf? </div></div>Hi Brian,Two A/C registers with doors are on the top of the dash. The compressor is a V-Twin (looks like a minature flathead Harley-Davidson motor). The oil filter is relocated to the passenger side and attached to a cast iron bracket that supports the compressor.I haven't had a good look at the underdash plumbing yet as the car is still parked inside my trailer due to the lousy weather here. Looks like the major job in putting the system in the other car will be cutting a 4x5" hole in the firewall just above & left of the round fresh air vent hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Randy Berger Posted February 16, 2005 Share Posted February 16, 2005 Packard8, in regard to the hole which needs to be cut in the firewall, my friend with the 56 Caribbean conv transplanted an A/C from a Pat to his Caribbean. Note the square flange which must be moved over also. He did this successfully and it looks like it was done at the factory - very successful job and he used some ingenious ways to install it. If you would like I can give him your email address and have him describe it to you.YFAM, Randy Berger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packard8 Posted February 16, 2005 Author Share Posted February 16, 2005 Hi Randy,Thanks for the note. Sure, I would love to talk to someone who has done the transplant. I plan to have the motor out in the near future and that would be the time to do it.Cheers,JohnPackard8 at juno dot com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Kennedy Posted February 16, 2005 Share Posted February 16, 2005 I am interested in what you are going to do for refrigerant. Since the old Packard system was designed for a refrigerant that is now banned and available only at extremely high cost, are you sure you will get enough cooling with the new refrigerant?I am planning on putting in a Vintage Air system in my 1955 400 do get around that problem. While it is hardly original it will cool the car--my primary concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packard8 Posted February 17, 2005 Author Share Posted February 17, 2005 Hi Bill,That?s a good question! I?ve read that it?s the seals & hoses that aren?t compatible with the new refrigerants and it is possible to have an old system upgraded to use 134a. I?m sure the compressor will need to be gone thru anyway after 50 years and new hoses can be made at any industrial rubber/hose supplier. I?ve also heard that there are substitutes for R12 that work pretty well. Also, I have a friend who used to service supermarket refer systems and he has several hundred pounds of the old stuff?..(don?t tell the EPA!!!). Cheers,John<img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Albert Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 I'am going to put an underdash system in the 54 Patrician, which will be R-12, I'am lucky My dad managed to scrounge a 35 kg bottle a number of years ago. another way to get r-12 is to pump it out of the older refrigators as they where all r-12 from the 60's to the 80's. Another option it the enviro cool wich is a r-12 & 134a sub, but I DO NOT like the idea of a Propane/ butane mix under the hood of a car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twitch Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 I like your idea Bill. There are some traditionalists who would faint if you told them but there ain't many here in Packard. Vintage air will no doubt use 134a. The thing is that R12 systems CAN be updated with 134a compressors for the use of 134a. I asked my radiator and A/C gurus who do lots of classics as well as modern stuff. But if you have all the components of an original R12 system you don't HAVE to update. R12 is alive and well and A/C establishments have and use the stuff. Remember there were lots of R12 cars out there before the unwarranted purge by the greenies so A/C places have it in hand. The thing is you and I can't buy it in auto parts store anymore. The pros have it. My 73 Z-28 is the 1st year the Z-28 had air and it has 2 year old R12 in its veins. I had a long discussion with one of the engineer/owners of my A/C place one day about R12 vs 134a and the bottom line I got was that R12 is a superior refrigerant to 134. Packard8- as ve speak ve haf un squad of SS on ze vay to Norden Kalifornia to confiscate ze R12, ja? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55PackardGuy Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">R12 systems CAN be updated with 134a compressors</div></div>You don't necessariy have to replace the compressor. There are 134a "kits" now that have retrofit connectors and include a lubricant that is supposed to be compatible with the R12 style compressors and seals. You empty the R12 from the system, replace the low pressure side fitting, and re-fill with the retrofit oil and 134a. I've been running this in my '89 Camaro for two summers with no problem. Cooling might be slightly less efficient but not much. It's a black car with T-tops, and even after sitting in the sun it cools down quickly.I am not sure if this retrofit can successfully be accomplished on much older systems. However, the box says "any" R12 system can be converted to 134a this way.Will your AC system blow up if you do this? All I can say is mine hasn't so far, and it's a lot easier to go to the parts store and buy a can of 134a if it needs to be "topped off" at the beginning of the season. I think the kit, including refrigerant, was about 35 bucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bkazmer Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 you're absolutely right about R12 still being available - it is expensive. Quit yer whinin' - the only original AC for Classics uses ammonia, I believe <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twitch Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 Luckily the radiator A/C place I go to guarantees your freon R12 or 134a. That's right, if it leaks for any reason after they charge it, it is replaced free after any repair. I am not sure how long they guarantee it but I have had a car about 2 years later leak and they stood by it. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_PackardV8 Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 I recommend using the propane based refrigerants (until the new one that BH told us about comes out). I'm using the propane based Enviro Safe brand at about $6/can but it only needs about 1 can. I'm running an amalgamation of 86 Toyota compressor and condensor coupled to a 1956 Mark IV evap. I've tried the R134A and the Enviro Safe and find that the enviro safe is somewhat better. Of course nothing beats R12. I've been running this system for over 5 years now.Also running the Enviro Safe in a 73 chevy and a 88 ford ranger BOTH sytems NEVER opened from the factory. In fact, there is R12, R134A and the propane based Enviro Safe all mixed together in both sytems and they work JUST FINE!!!!The 55's used a cast iron crank pulley, the 56's aluminum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twitch Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 Your 1st paragraph is exactly what my A/C shop's owners say. But supposedly the corrosion shouldn't be caused by freon since the lubricant allegedly keeps that from happening. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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