55PACKARD Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 I'm thinking of sticking with the stock carb where is a good place to buy one rebuilt? I priced one from Kanters anyone use a rebuilt carb from them????Or anywhere else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCraigH Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE BUY A REBUILT CARB! There are many reasons for this, not the least of which is that a "rebuilt" carb had some serious problem to start with the that mass rebuilders are ill-equipped to fix.Get yours rebuilt. There are several rebuilders around. The one I would recommend is Roy's Carburetor Factory at (775) 727-4700. He's working with me on my blow-thru QJet turbo project and has been doing carb rebuilds and remanufacturing for 40 years. Tell he I referred you and that you'd like me to also look at the carb, if you elect to have him do the work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Randy Berger Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 Craig is right - you will only get butchered part back. Here's address of company that most vendors get their parts and kits from. They also rebuild and flow-test (I think) carbs. You can mark your parts with a secret mark to verify you get same part back.Daytona Carburetor Parts Co.Attn: Ron HewittP.O. Box 247New Smyrna Beach, FL 32070904-756-1386 8 a.m. - 5 p.m.They have a website - you can look it up with Google.YFAM, Randy Berger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dave327 Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 I agree with Craig and Randy, rebuilt carburetors were someone else's "unfixable problem" at some point. Ever considered rebuilding the one you have yourself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBL Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 Definately rebuild it yourself..Its really not hard and it will give you a better understanding of the unit. In addition if something goes wrong you will know where to go in order to fix the problem. I have known rebuilt carbs to be problematic even after bringing them to pro-builder. TimMBL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCraigH Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 I agree with B.H. and the others about doing your own rebuild. I only suggested Roy's if youi don't want to do it yourself.IMO, the most critical part of a 4GC rebuild is to thoroughly clean out the idle circuit holes. The 4GC has fixed idle circuit passages for the secondaries in addition to the adjustable primary side. These holes are very small and are probably the first thing to varnish up. That was the main problem with the 4GC on my 55 Pat. The other problem with my 4GC was a worn accelerator pump link hole that caused hesitation on off-idle acceleration (throttle plates would move before the accel pump). But JBWeld and redrilling of the worn holes fixed that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Albert Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 I just finished doing my 4bbl on the 54 Patrician, the biggest job was cleaning off the gunge off the outside,(2 hours in the dunk tank) but my carb worked good before hand, just that it looked really bad. with the packard service manual and the Carter manual it was not bad to rebuild, but the instructions that come with the kit leave a little to be desired. An old toothbrush or one of thoes little stainless steal brushes work well in the cleaning too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55PACKARD Posted March 6, 2004 Author Share Posted March 6, 2004 Thanks guys for your advice, but now im truly confused .1 hand people say dont adapt an edelbrock carb which is brand new. 2nd dont buy a rebuilt carb there no good. Well you know something my carb isnt any good either thats why im looking to change it...I wish i could re-build mine not that im not capable of doing it but my thorrtle shaft is worn badly so i think im going the route of buying a rebuilt one from Kanters and if that doesnt work im going to adapt the 600 cfm edelbrock on. Who cares if i have to make it work but i know after its said and down the car will run fine which ever route i take.But thanks for your advice too... <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55PACKARD Posted March 6, 2004 Author Share Posted March 6, 2004 Thanks B.H. before i started this post i was going to put on a 600 cfm edelbrock then i realized it was going to be some work putting/making it work..Then i though i live 10 minutes away from Kanter's i called there they do atock a rebuilt carb for my car so i started thinking i can take mine off and just bolt on the rebuilt one but i never thought that would be a problem.I worked in auto parts from about 10 yrs before i started doing Heating..and i sold alot of rebuilt carb's yes some good some were bad but i guess thats the chance im going to have to take.I look at it this way it has to be better then what mine is right now, i guess I HOPE...but i will try the stock one and see how it goes. I'm going to be doing this next thrusday i have a 4 day break so i will keep you guy's posted...Thanks again........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCraigH Posted March 6, 2004 Share Posted March 6, 2004 Roy's and other classic & perforance remanufacturers (as opposed to mass rebuilders) put brass bushings in the throttle shafts and hone the shaft bushings to the original OEM clearance. They also straighten the air horns, etc. The mass rebuilders don't bother with such details. And therein lies the difference. Since you live only a few miles from Kanter, why don't you go down there personally and make a pain in the A$$ out of yourself insisting that you get your self-same carb back. And assuring them that if it isn't perfect, that you'll be back there with ... whatever vengence.Under those circumstances, I'm sure you'll get what you want. And it won't be a new Edelbrock, which you don't need anyway, IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCraigH Posted March 6, 2004 Share Posted March 6, 2004 One more thing about the Edelbrock carbs. If one hangs around the muscle car era chat forums like I do (Pontiac specific), then you'll get a lot of feedback about the Edelbrock carbs. While there are some good points, there are also some questionable points. Apparently, the E-carbs are specifically tuned for Chebbies. This means they don't work so good on Pontiacs or certainly Packards. The problem is NOT the jetting per se, but the idle and power circuits.In addition, there are some issues about the quality control of these carbs. They are mass produced (maybe offshore?) and don't have the TLC that an owner built carb would have.The Pontiac muscle car era guys have going so far as dig the Quadrajets (once known as "quadra-junk") carbs out of their parts bins and reworking those as opposed to buying the E-carbs. A few thousand non-Chebbie guys cannot be that wrong.But hey, it's your $$$ and your car, so do what you want. Just let us know how it worked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Randy Berger Posted March 6, 2004 Share Posted March 6, 2004 All this talk about rebuilding carbs made me go into the dusty vault and find this manual. I can make copies of it for any Packard owner who wants it. email me and let me know if you want one and your mailing address so I know how many to make.YFAM, Randy Berger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55PACKARD Posted March 6, 2004 Author Share Posted March 6, 2004 Thanks B.H., thats what i thought too i live close to them about 10 minutes so i figure i will go there and ask some questions onto who re-builds them and what type of warranty they have ..I never really heard anything bad about them so i hope it will work out in the end Thanks again to all for the input.... <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Randy Berger Posted March 6, 2004 Share Posted March 6, 2004 Craig, you can email me at:mrberger2@comcast.netYFAM, Randy Berger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dave327 Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 I just took an Edelbrock 600 carburetor and placed it on a 374 manifold. The bolts line up fine. However, a spacer is needed as the holes in the intake are too small and the carburetor will not open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_PackardV8 Posted March 8, 2004 Share Posted March 8, 2004 Craig. i have a couple of QuadraJets setting around here for trading material if the need ever arises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCraigH Posted March 8, 2004 Share Posted March 8, 2004 PackardV8: You probably have Chebbie-variety QJets. is the fuel inlet 90-deg on the P-side or is it straight in from the front of the engine. The former is Chebbie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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