daner

Thanks for the help -good information and observations. Btw, I assumed the site had hazmat and wore PPE. Having said that, I'm not sure the cases had lead-or were just damaged cases that were discarded to the side of the plant before having the lead cells inserted. I too was curious about the battery that was simply labeled "H"...hard term to do an effective search on! Same for "Plastok".

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Morning all: I don't post often here, but every once in a while I post a question as someone here will know more about the subject than I could hope to in the limited time I have to research: I'm a historic archeologist (nothing like the "archeologists" on "American Pickers" lol), and I am just starting to research the items we found at a site we surveyed a while back. I'm not at liberty to discuss the location, and if by chance anyone knows, please keep it to yourself and do not take artifacts from the site unless you have permission from the property owner. Anyways, I came across a large pile of vintage battery cases, all of which were damaged and apparently discarded. I'm hoping someone can identify a timeframe on some of these cases (see pics) based on the emblems and brands. My guess is 1940s to mid-1950s, but that is just a guess. Any citation to help date the cases is even more appreciated. As usual, thanks for the help, Daner

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Hello All: I posted a picture and some information on an antique car i found at a stage station a few years back; http://forums.aaca.org/f170/mystery-car-photo-207889.html It didnt take you guys long to lead me in the right way, so this I have something a little tougher! As I mentioned before I work as an archeologist, and during the course of duty find some interesting stuff: This time I found a front cowl, motor of an unidentified truck/car that was carried into the mountains(no roads within 1/4 mile) and transformed into an arrastra(primitive mill for crushing rock at a gold mine). It has two transmissions that connect to a differential to reduce the final drive output (arrastras need to move slow) The pictures are horrible as the forest is so thick photographs are nearly impossible, which is probably the reason the vehicle is still there and the arrastra relatively intact: Hopefully the numbers on the transmission will have meaning to someone: Thanks, Duane

and the obligatory "stuck" photo. I wonder how the wife feels about a "frame up" restoration of a 1912 Buick ....

one of the trucks on the Mogollon Road, truck service started 1913

here's a pic of the Marriott trucks:

I spent the weekend putting together some new info and thought I'd post an update on the "mystery car" and the stage stop it is located at-once again, I really appreciate the input, as it turns out my3buicks and layden B lead me in the right direction, after comparing it to 1912 photos on the internet, it certainly appears to be a 1912(ish) Buick. The frame, fenders and springs are consistant with the 1912 Buicks on the internet too, and I looked them over very closely. Old newspaper articles also support this theory, the leading auto stage line to Mogollon was ran by Marriott Stage Lines and Freight Co, and in 1912 they took order of several 1912 Buicks, in early 1914 on of the Buicks caught fire and was destroyed by a fire while coming down the steep grade from Mogollon, about ten miles away from the stage stop. The Marriott Co. claimed that it was not a total lost as they needed parts to keep the others running, and the motor, tranny etc. were reported to be salvageable. The stage line would have been a very likely place to store the burned Buick if it were to be used for parts. I also discovered that the auto remains are located on private property, about 20' from the Forest Service Boundary. I also dug up some other info on the stage stop, I located a few rock mounds on the hill behind the stage stop, according to one account there were four soldiers killed at this location by Geronimo on Dec 19th 1885. they may or may not be related. I attached a photo of the marriott Stage Co.s office in Silver City circa 1915, and I'll attach a few other photos..

Out of curiosity, when did welding replace rivets in auto construction?

and one last one of the shifter/assembly. I had hoped there would be patent #s or SOME identifying mark, but no luck...

I realize it is a long shot that the car remains are the same as used by the stage line, but it is parked at the stage stop which was owned by the stage line and appears to be from the right time frame...and there werent too many autos in rural New Mexico pre WWI...

another view of passenger rear spring..

another close-up of the frame..

Hmm, cant figure out how to attach multiple attachments...

I really appriciate the input, I've been looking up 1912 Buicks and it certainly looks similar, but with the grainy "headache" photo it is hard to be certain. here is a little more insight to the project I'm working on, I hope it doesnt stray too far from the forum, but your help is appreciated: The historic photo is on what we call the "Million Dollar Highway", as it cost a fortune to carve a road out of rock on the 3000' ascent to Mogollon. You can still drive it today to the "ghost" town of mogollon. Before automobiles it took 2-3 days for freighter and horse drawn stages to travel the 80 miles between Silver City and Mogollon. The first auto stages started in 1912 and freight trucks started in 1913, but wagons were used for heavy equipment into the late 1930"s. The stage stop was known as Meaders stage stop disappears from maps in 1930, we do know that early auto stages stopped there, but we speculate that auto and road improvements rendered it obsolete. we've been looking for the stage station for several years, but figured the new highway destroyed the site. I stumbled accross the site last week while looking for other things, and was happy to find so much stuff there(from an archaeological viewpoint) anyways, it may be wishful thinking, but I'm hoping to link the auto remains at the old station to the auto stage line, I'll be doing background research over the next few weeks to see if it appears in old newspspers etc. That is where you guys have been so helpful, no matter how many phd's or master degrees archaeologist have, they will never have the knowledge you guys do of old autos, so like I said, you help is appreciated. You guys will probably ban me from the site for posting more vague mystery photos-but I'm attaching a few pics of what is left at the stage staion: thanks, duane

Hello-My name is Duane and I work on the Gila National Forest, I work with the heritage/archaeology program and have been doing a little research on a "stage" station along the old wagon road between Silver City and the mining town of Mogollon, New Mexico. I found a poor quality photo of the automobile "stage" line, and when I went out in the field I came accross the remains of at least one of the cars and the ruins at the old stage station. I'm attaching a 1914 photo of one of the cars on the stage line near mogollon, Does anyone have a clue of the make/model or approx year? Thanks. Duane