Bob Stein
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Drove the 37 Pontiac on Saturday, the 49 MG TC on Sunday (and barely made it home), the repaired TC again on Monday (spark plug issues), and the 67 Cougar yesterday in heavy traffic (bumper-to-bumper local gridlock makes that automatic tranny a belssing. Now if it only had air!)
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Thanks to Keith's info, I was able to finally locate similar documentaiton for my Cougar. The Ford Shop Tips magazine for June 1967 has an article announcing radial tires being available as factory options for Ford, Falcon, Mustang, Mercury, Comet, and Cougar! It also provides sizes for each car model. (185R14 for the Cougar). While it may not be true, the article also claims Ford is the first to offer radials as factory options of all the major manufacturers (disregarding European car makers who had been providing radials for a decade). I have included scans of the cover, content list, and article page for anyone who might want to see or print them.
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Proper documentation seems to be the real issue. The quoted stories don't mention actual vehicle use, and even if they did they would not count towards acceptance by AACA. So far I have only found actual factory literature to support radials as options for the Cougar in 1967, and even then only on the GT models. The Judging Guidebook mentions Buick and Oldsmobile in 1967 - I'd like to see the documentation, as I have not been able to find any, just to satisfy my own curiosity. Every source I have found has stated that GM did not get into radials (with the aborted exception of the 1968 GTO) until the 1970s.
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I took over the Tidewater Region AACA's MUDFLAP newsletter as of January this year from Marty and Neil Sugermeyer. Talk about some big shoes to fill! They just received the Old Car Weekly 'Golden Quill' award for the 2012 publication year, but Old Car Weekly accidentally identified me as the editor for that period.
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I tracked the probable source of the 1966 Pontiac Sprint data to a 1966 article where a car magazine editor had ridden in a 1966 Pontiac Sprint equipped with aftermarket radials and was promoting radials. In the article, he noted that no American car manufactures offered them yet. Another source notes that radials were offered on the 1968 GTO for a short period, but were withdrawn due to production issues.
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Greetings, All! I am trying to determine if the 1967 Cougar was the first American car to offer radial tires as a FACTORY option. 185R14 tires are listed in my owner's manual printed January 1967 as an option. (FR-14s were offered as an option in 1968).
Anyone out there know if any other American car offered radials from the factory in 1967 or earlier? FACTORY documentation ONLY, not magazine articles or restorer's guides, etc.
Thanks!
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Greetings! There is a nice feature article on the 37-38 Pontiacs in the newest issue of Collectible Automobile magazine - the June 2013 issue is now on the bookshelves at Barnes and Noble.
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Check all of the available factory documentation for your Mustang, STARTING with the owner's manual. I recently got a 1967 Cougar with 185R14 whitewalls that were nearly new. Everyone told me that Ford did not start using radials until 68, and even then the Cougar used FR60-14s. There was no mention of radials at all in the sales literature or shop manuals. But last night I finally pulled the original owner's manual (1/67 printing) out of the glovebox and in the specifications section it listed 185R14 radials as an option under tires! When all else fails, read the manual. (And yes, I sent scans of the docs to Rick Marsh so he'll have a new tidbit.)
UPDATE - There is no joy in Mudville... Gor a reply from Rick - the documentation I found lists the radials only for the GT, so only bias ply will be accepted for my XR-7. Unless I find something factory that applies the radial availability across the Cougar lineup. The search goes on!
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An elderly freind in the car lcub has a really nice aluminum-bodied 1926 Cadillac V8 coupe that is in dire need of a distributor. He has had the car for close to ten years, and that is all that is keeping it from running. Does anyone out there have a rebuildable 1926 Cadillac Delco distributor? Or know of a way to substitute something else? He's in his upper eighties now and in poor helath - I'd like to see him get it running before it's too late. I've had no luck walking Hershey the past few years.
Bob Stein
Norfolk VA
757-270-3689 (cell)
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Hiya! I added more photos - was having issues with the AACA site last night. At this point, I only know the car was bought locally by a fellow TRAACA member back about 2004. I'm trying to track down the previous owner, who lives just a few miles from me in Norfolk. I didn't know the Cougar was for sale until I mentioned to a friend that I was thinking about getting a Firebird or Cougar as a cheap fun car. He told me that a mutual friend and TRAACA member was selling his 67 Cougar. I remembered the car from events and tours, but had not really looked at it. It was at another club member's car lot, so I took off from work to check it out. The car was far nicer than I remembered, and after a test drive I wrote a check on the spot. Not quite the 'cheap' I was planning on, but a great buy for what I got. It has nicer styling than the period Mustangs, and has the advantage of being much less common while sharing all the driveline and suspension parts. I already have a lot of interior trim parts and literature on the way from various Restoration Vendors and eBay. And I have been driving her a LOT! That will probably ease up with the requirement for high-test and fuel milieage only barely in the double digits.
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I've owned a fair assortment of cars over the years, including imports, trucks, luxury cars, sports cars, micor-cars, etc. One obvious type I have never owned, until now, is any form of American muscle car. I just filled that niche with a 1967 Mercury Cougar XR7 with the 'Super' 289 engine. OK, it isn't a Z28 Camaro or Shelby Mustang, but it's got the factory mags, dual exhaust, and enough power to get someone used to a a 55 HP 1949 MG TC in a lot of trouble. The Cougar is deep red, with the black interior. The XR7 package included upscale trim such as woodgrain dash, center console, full instrumentation, and added stainless trim. The car only has 72,000 original miles, and thanks to a lot of work by the previous owner, runs and drives like new. It is totally stock, having escaped the ravages of hotrodders and time with equal finesse. The interior needs some detail work - chrome and trim have deteriorated and I've already got parts on order to start the rejuvenation. The current plan is to drive her to Charlotte and put her in class judging. Anyway, I am really happy with the car - it is beautiful to look at and fun to drive. What more can you ask?
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Anyone heard about 2012 Newsletter or Web awards yet? Getting close to time where hotel rooms need to be reserved and vacation time requested. The letters used to go out in November, but I guess there are more sites and newsletters to cover these days.
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I found an underdash wire cover for my MG TCs - these are rarer than hen's teeth. No one I know has ever actually seen one! Like engine splash pans, the first tmie someone needed to do work under the dash they had to undo 8 screws and maneuver the big piece of fibreboard out. Most were simply thrown away. This one was removed from a TC about 1952 and hung up in a garage. The son was cleaning ot the garage this year and brought this along. I was not looking for one, and have no idea why I even gave it a second glance. It is in good shape with all brackets for $25!
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There's a nice tank on eBay currently for $199. (look up 1937 1938 Pontiac Chevy Gas Tank)
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Greetings! I have a 1937 6 touring sedan that I just got a month ago - love the car. Looks like you have a replacement engine - Pontiac used a flathead 6 or 8. Those Chevy engines are excellent, though. I ahd a 1950 Pickup with the 216 and it was a dependable workhorse. You can see my car at www.caroholic.com. Bob
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Need a good, restorable grille center bar for my 1937 Pontiac 6. Any help on sources would be appreciated. Thanks! Bob Stein 757-588-six200
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I posted a couple of For Sale ads for an AACA member for his 1934 1100 formal sedan and 1100 convertible sedan two weeks ago and they seem to have been removed. Is there some sort of protocol on this? None of the guidelines I saw indicate any reason the ads would have been removed.
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I have two MG TCs, a 1948 and a 1949. Both cars get regular use on the Interstate and will roll at 55-60 with no problems. The RPMs are high at speed, but you have to remember that these are small 4-cylinder (12500cc) engines designed for high revs. The brakes are good, and as long as your front end is in good shape, steering and handling are good as well. The TCs have a classic look that the TDs and TFs just can't match. Another big plus with the TC, at least for my 14EEE feet, is that the footwell is much larger. When they made the LHD US versions of the TD and TF they did not change the footwell bias that was originally set up for RHD cars. Parts are almost all available from a variety of sources - one of the best is Doug Pelton's From the Frame Up. Google his web site - you can look through his catalog for an idea of pricing and availability. If you really want a TC, a TD is going to be a disappointment.
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I have been wanting to get back into a pre-war car for a while, and lucked into a really nice 1937 Pontiac 6 2619 Touring Sedan. The car runs and drives as new, and has a correct new interior and new rubber all around. The paint is presentable (Wenonah Maroon), and most of the chrome is pretty good. The car has been in the AACA Driver Participation program for years. I plan to spiff her up a bit with correct body and wheel striping, trim rings, fog lights, etc. Mostly just for my own enjoyiment, but I'll keep everything correct in case I every choose to put her in class judging. The car feels much like the 1937 LaSalle sedan I owned years ago, which is not surprising since they used the same body. The 37 is a perfect mix of older looks with relatively modern driveability. My last pre-war was a 1929 Model A pickup, which was neither comfortable for someone 6'1" or pleasant to drive in our Interstate-locked area.
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I may have missed this on the Forum site, but is there a location for finding original cars for restoration reference? We have the HPOF and Originals classifications to encourage preservation of original cars, but there does not seem to be any way for these invaluable resources to be located other than a chance encounter at a show. The AACA Library does not have this information, either. I am trying to find out paint trim details (pinstripe and wheel treatment) for a recently acquired 1937 Pontiac 2619, and being able to see a few photos of an unrestored car with original trim would be a huge help.
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Greetings! I just bought a 1937 Pontiac 2619 Touring Sedan and have a couple of questions.
First of all, the car is maroon. What colors would be correct for the body stripe/wheel trim? The showroom folder shows dark green, and the only paint chart I can find is an aftermarket seller that shows red. Is there a cream or tan that would be correct? Neither the green or red seem appropriate.
Second, how can you tell what gear ration the car has in the rear axle? I've located a 1938 rear axle and would like to see if it has the Plains ratio to dop overall engine speed.
Thanks!
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Technically, the car won't be mine until Friday, but here is a shot of 'Mildred', my 1937 Pontiac 6 Touring Sedan. The car is in excellent condition, and drives great. The interior has been done in period-correct style and fabric, and the paint is one of the available 1937 colors. She has been an AACA Driver Participation car with the current owners, but I think she can do well in class juding with a bit more work. However, the important thing is she will be a wonderful tour car - I don't own a trailer. It will be great to have a Pre-War car again!
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Hiya! Do you still have the instrument cluster and can you provide a photo? Thanks!
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Professionally restored 1993. One of 10 known. PAC Best of Show, Pre-War, 1993. CCCA 100 pts, 1995. AACA Joseph Parkin Award 1996. ODPC Preservation. Completed Spring Tour to Bristol, 2009. Black with black leather interior and tan top. $170,000.00 rwoolfitt@cox.net
More photos at: http://www.caroholic.com/34_1101.htm
Decoding a 1937 Pontiac Body Tag
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My 1937 Pontiac Deluxe 6 shows a TRIM NO. of 01 and a PAINT NO. of 8. I've been unable to determine what they translate to so far. I do know that a suffix of 'D' after the paint code indicates fenders painted the same color as the car. Mine does not have the D, which means it came with black fenders.
Anyone know what the 01 and 8 translate to?
Thanks,