GeneR

I’m not doing much, but I did remove plugs and spray in pb blaster a few days ago. Today I was able to turn the crank one turn with the handle, but it was extremely tight! It’s not locked up, and I don’t think I could bend valves and such with that short handle. The only noises I heard were normal ring sliding sounds. Fingers crossed that when I get the chance to pull oil pan and valve cover all can be freed up to run.

Stepson....he took it

She told me the Pierce sold, don’t know details. I think all of the other restored cars sold too. Somewhere in all of the selling, someone stole one of my hubcaps....

Finally moved the Blackhawk and cleaned on it a little bit.

Thanks for the ID and information, Guys! now, anyone swap for a Blackhawk surround?????? LOL

I don’t know much about Stutz (obviously) but I doubt all models from 1911 used the identical surround. I was trying to find out whether this one may have been from an earlier model....

If I can figure out how, I will. It’s only been established not a Blackhawk, not that it’s not Stutz...

but what is the one I have....anyone???

The engine has an A prefix, which I understand makes it a '29 engine, although not necessarily desirable. I have been digging and finding parts, I think I have it almost complete now, with some spattering of spare pieces. The interior is a jigsaw puzzle that has been disassembled and scattered, but there is a box of wooden pieces with part numbers stamped on the back. Found the bumpers/hardware. almost all handles and escutcheons (sp?) Certainly cost as much to restore as its worth, but to someone who really wants a Pierce Arrow and doesn't mind doing it themselves.....

Assuming the last digit is a mile and not 10th, 58,890

Actually, no, Coker had never heard of a wooden wheel where the stem doesn’t go through a wooden rim... Not a problem, I could use either, I just went for the cheaper rubber stems for “roller” wheels

This surround was in back seat of the Blackhawk L6 I just bought. Don’t think it’s right for the car, mine is missing, gauges just in wood.

After advice and talking with Coker staying with rubber just for “roller” tires

“not a fun job” is right! Flat on one side and hard as a rock is NOT coming off. Tried cutting with sawsall, not touching rim of course, but not off yet. Ordrred tubes but might have made a mistake....brass or rubber stems?? I’ve had rubber stems be too fat for hole in rim on antique airplane rims. Ones on car are brass, centered, straight... Quick, anyone know which is correct so I can change order?? (I ordered rubber without thinking)

Keep all of the advice coming! I am mostly an antique airplane guy (as was my deceased friend) and I have several airplane projects in the works at the same time.... but I have always LOVED the old cars and could not pass on this one. It is going to be a while before I can spend much on it. I need to get it rolling right now to get it home, I am wrestling with the whole buy 5 tire thing mentioned above, so I totally get it. Right now, three "roller" tires will get me home. I am enjoying just playing with it now and learning a LOT in the process. I love picking through the parts, I am finding Pierce parts in the back seat, and parts from differing Stutz cars as well (EdinMa is going to be sorry he gave me his number!) The hand crank was in a sewn pouch next to the rear seat, for some reason. I pulled lightly, but no budge..I am not going to force it. I'll put some oil in cylinders and let it sit for a while. It will be a long time before I even think about starting it, I will not do any damage to it beforehand. I am trying to identify the Pierce parts and gather them to help my friend's wife sell it for a reasonable price, I'm having fun with the Stutz (it has a 1929 Setchell Carlson "Karadio" in it with a remote head, the most bizarre thing I have ever seen!) I look forward to sharing progress, asking for advice, and begging/trading for parts. Thanks Everyone! Gene

couple more photos from today. Mostly cleaning up around the car making a path out of the barn. Taking stock of what is there and what missing. Have to order new tubes, couldn’t get but one tire to hold air....

Yea, I’ve already been advised to drop the pan, pull the head. I’ll also pull the differential cover, clean/inspect and put in correct oil. Of course gas tank is shiny but full of gunk, rebuild carb... its gonna be a long time before I even think of running it. Today I am cleaning around it and making a path to the door. Get it on blocks to remove wheels and get some usablectires/tubes on it. Im still trying to figure out exactly what I have here...

Maybe we'll find out that red was the signature of a particular overhaul shop or replacement engine provider...

I don't like the red, but its not just slapped on either. It was well done and appears to be done before the data plate was riveted on. So, if it was done during some engine overhaul long ago, as far as i am concerned it is part of the history of the car. I could be wrong.

and..deadbeat a joke, I like it!!

Tires....I’m tired too...

Ok, paperwork is all done, so I will post a few poor photos (light not great in barn). I’ll post more when I get tired that hold air and get it moved to my place. VIN L6-1-DW-51C motor 16527 deadbeat no more!!

Matt/Mark, I was worried I'd be perceived this way, but I am trying to keep quiet until I decide whether to buy one or both. Ed said it all. Both cars are there, I accidentally posted on both threads, only intended to post to Stutz. Friend's estate, if I don't buy I'll try to help his wife sell.

Hi, I have made a barn find and do not want to say too much about it publicly, please forgive me. I need advice so I can move before it is gone. Please message me or call me at 202-674-1445. Thanks!

Guys, I made a barn find and do not want to say too much about it publicly (please forgive me) I need help/advice quickly so I can move on it before its gone. I'll just say it is a late 20's limo and leave it at that for now. Please contact me by message or phone, I need advice.... Gene 202-674-1445