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Thanks very much. Al! I did not find that picture. I have to admit I am not the most proficient with the web. It is definitely convincing that it is an auburn body. The fenders and such look a lot better on the subject car though and it looks channeled over the frame, its so much lower than the auburn. It also uses the more fully enclosed fenders which are the classic teardrop shape.

I just googled 30 auburn speedster and did not find any with a door shaped like that. Can you direct me to the place they are please? I'm sorry but in the discussion above I did not see any evidence presented about the body being an Auburn. Can you direct me to the post please? As for being sure what it is I don't think anybody said specifically what it is other than a fake and not a Darren.

I happened along to this conversation when looking for info on another car. I was taken by the looks of the car and picked up this thread discussing its provenance. I am no expert on Packards nor on what Dutch Darren may or may not have built or been involved with. I have been interested in cars for about 55 years though and have spent probably more time thinking about them and doing things with them than about anything else. Different enthusiasts have different views on what is important. I understand people in the old Corvette want every decal and every part exactly authentic. Ferrari folks though don't seem to mind color changes or even body changes especially if the body has been changed before. ...Bentleys too. I have never had a concourse car and probably never will. I tend to want to drive them too much for that. In the case of this car I want to try to understand what is believed and generally accepted by every body. First it appears the car is sitting on the coupe chassis in which the engine came originally. The body work appears to be done by a very skilled craftsman and it does not resemble an Auburn speedster in any detail except perhaps the windshield. It is in fact much more lean looking than the auburn speedster which I always have loved unabashedly until I see this athletic looking car. The body does not at all look like a backyard construction. The body especially does not resemble any Auburn. the shape of the door is much different. The picture with it hanging at an angle above the chassis from a tree supports that the body has been off but in my mind does not mean it may not have been built originally by Dutch Darren. The rear fenders and rear tail and deck also look very professional. In fact I cannot find a line on the car that does not look perfect. I'd love to see it in person. A Packard expert and or a Darren expert probably could look at the details and say whether it was built by them. If in the Packard world a car does not bear its original body but the body of a one off car which perhaps lost its running gear somehow surely that does not ruin it...? If I had sufficient funds I'd jump on this car and enjoy it. It is a work of art and deserves whatever attention it receives. I don't have a clue of its value but I bet before too long it will sell for a strong price.

I have a 39 CE and a 39 commander. The corner of the door is different, it appears the same from the window down but there is a slight difference in the length of the door which may be attributable to build variation. I am hoping the window mechanisms are interchangible since I plan to use the ones from the commander in the CE. the interior trim on the CE has a lip for closing the door in leu of a door pull too. I am not sure the vent windows are the same.