Belvedere
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Steve, I was just a curious admirer, and those were the "facts" as I understood them from the owner. Regretfully, my next question should have been, when was it converted? The Lincoln indeed was nicely done, but I could not find any conversion company emblems on the vehicle. That's why I inquired who did it. I wonder if anyone on the judging team inquired and asked for documentation from the owner.
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I'm certain many of you noticed the unique '69 Continental Hearse in the Professional Car class. Apparently not done by any well-known conversion company like S/S or Miller, the owner told me it was done by himself by grafting the rear roof section from a '64 Cadillac hearse onto the Lincoln sedan. The result being the only Lincoln Continental hearse conversion, according to the owner. Is this type of owner-conversion acceptable in the AACA Professional Car class? It was awarded a 1st Junior.
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Did anyone walk the show field to check it out? The sloping side could be testy. What about trailer parking for early Saturday morning arrival? In the past, I was lucky enough to get parking on the Hershey Headquarters lot. Is that an option this year?
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I saw SAMBARN'S post telling us he is bringing a Keller to Hershey. What other rarities (or not so rare beauties) can we expect to see? Tell us what you will be entering. I'll be showing my '68 Plymouth, as I've done for many years since it turned 25 years old.
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Is the unrestored one in the photo above yours also? Looking forward to seeing this at Hershey.
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Bored? Thanks to your efforts, these cars were appreciated by each of us, even at the worst time in their lives, and in their final days. These photos serve as their epitaph.
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Thanks for your input.
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As it is the owner's responsibility to provide appropriate literature if the AACA judging team questions authenticity of your vehicle, where should this material be on the show field? For example, the owner's manual, showroom brochure, or even the shop manual could answer judge's inquiries. Is it acceptable to display this material neatly with the vehicle of should it be kept out of sight?
While not new to the AACA show routine, I'm going for my 34th preservation, I've always wondered what to do with my owner's manual (in the closed glovebox or on the seat)? Is it OK to have my dealer Trim Selector book (pictures only, no swatches) displayed in the trunk along with 1 showroom brochure and maybe 1 small ad for my model Plymouth?
Can the acceptable display on the AACA show field vary depending on your class and award sought. Should display of literature differ if you're seeking Jr/Sr as opposed to Repeat Preservation? How much literature, if any, can be displayed in HPOF or DPC?
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Hope you can post some photos here. We like pictures.
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As we are more than halfway through the 2013 AACA Meet season, just wondering if there have been any entrants in Class 39 Special Interest for celebrity cars, etc. None have been included in Meet Winners Lists to date, of course as this is a display only class. Anyone know if any are registered for Hershey?
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Cutlasguy, did you notice the Oldsmobile club is NOT listed on next year's registration? Omitted, deleted?
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OK, so the issue of new paint was brought up. A good friend of mine, who's car has been HPOF certified, tried for Original last season. On the showfield, the team captain wanted to speak with the owner about his car being repainted. For that reason he was denied the Original certification. I agree. The team captain continued on to inform him that because of the new paint, he was to relinquish the HPOF badge and move into class judging or DPC. Ultimately, the vehicle DID NOT receive Repeat HPOF. The owner admits the car was repainted PRIOR to receiving HPOF certification, but is otherwise original in all aspects. Then was told "the rules have changed". HPOF certification is a moving target, but I thought it was said certifications prior to subsequent rule changes were grandfathered.
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My question, where were all of the Metropolitans and Crosleys? The Mets used to arrive in a swarm, numbering 30 or so. Saturday and Sunday saw 8 and 10 respectively. And Crosley, after being the feature car last year with a large turnout, only saw 4 or 5. What happened?
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First of all, congratulations to Mr. Landis, the owner of the '88 Ford Econoline at the recent Carlisle Spring Meet, on your First Junior award. What a beautiful ORIGINAL vehicle. For the purpose of discussion, what criteria lead to this vehicle to be placed in Class 27, Production vehicles 1988? One typically expects to find automobiles in this class. The Econoline, even the passenger version as this was, is based on the commercial work-related Econoline. Earlier Chevrolet Suburbans through the '60's are also based on the commercial chassis, and have been placed in the appropriate Commercial Vehicle class 22 (Until recently, where later ones are considered Sport Utilities). Does it follow because VW Transporters & Willys Station Wagons are placed in the appropriate Production (automobile) Class? The lone Plymouth Voyager Minivan present at Carlisle falls into Production as it is based on the K-car automobile, as an alternative to the familiar station wagon. Again, it was a beautiful and deserving vehicle. Anyone have an opinion and care to discuss?
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Will some or all of the food stands under the grandstand be open? How about the Subway at the far end of the showfield?
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Sorry to hear it rained again. It rained each of the 3 years I attneded. How many cars were there?
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Let me begin by saying, I was a big fan of HPOF at its' inception, and when the year cut-off of 35 years was instituted my Plymouth was there!
As the class has evolved, I am considering removing my Plymouth from HPOF. First, as in this discussion, I feel that too many later model "clunkers" are recently achieving HPOF status, most likely due to mixed information given to evaluators. Yes, if items have passed their point of servicability, what does it offer the restorer per originality? Any back-row used car or operable junk yard dog 25 years old could be considered for HPOF. When I see a daily driven clunker that is 25+ years old on the highway, I jokingly say to myself, "Oh, that's HPOF".
As for the Bamford Dodge above, I remember the car at Hershey. I was all over it, it's awesome, and should be commended for being driven from Edmonton. I hope it's still going strong. Although I thought it better suited for DPC.
On the other side of the coin, are many vehicles displayed in HPOF that should be considered in class judging. I recall parking next to a beautiful Ford product recently in Hershey considered for HPOF. If I'd had a dollar for everyone who commented he was wasting his time in HPOF, my registration would have been covered. It was a definite shoe-in for 1st Jr/Sr. Also that cute little imported SUV at Hershey, too good for HPOF. But I guess it's the owner's choice.
With entrants in HPOF at extreme ends of the spectrum, it seems the HPOF definition has become increasingly clouded.
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It's noted on the registration there is a $20 fee for trailer parking on the fairgrounds. The hotel I've chosen has limited trailer parking on a first-come basis. My question is, can the $20 fee be collected when I arrive in Carlisle, in the event my hotel lot is full, or must I pre-pay in advance when I register? Or I may just drive the car out.
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I read in the Jan/Feb ANTIQUE AUTOMOBILE a new Special Interest non-competitive AACA class has been added for 2013. Considered for this group are celebrity cars, movie/TV cars and such. Will we see Betty White's Seville or Whitney's Rolls at Hershey this fall?
What do you guys think of this addition?
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Since this thread has taken a direction of "what does or doesn't belong in this Professional Class", let me ask why limosines (especially those w/ divider winders) are not considered for this class? Most would have been driven by a paid driver as hearses, ambulances, taxis, etc. Many were completed by an outside coachbuilder. To me this puts them in the same vein as hearses and such. The Professional Car Society includes them. I remember the Fall Meet of 2011 included a 1968 Caddy Limo in 27-H, hardly your average production vehicle.
Personally, I don't see the real connection between funeral vehicles and and taxi/police vehicles. Better mix would be funeral/limo in one group and municipal vehicles (taxi, police, ambulance) as another group.
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Right, Stonefish. My original post raised the question of authenticity for a Metropolitan Taxi. There is no denying this Met was beautifully restored, and a crowd-pleaser! Is there any documentation of Mets being used as taxis, or was it done for fun? If done for fun, how does this vehicle fit into the AACA philosophy of authenticity judging?
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The list of vehicles awarded AACA Original at Hershey was mighty long. I wonder if anyone was denied the award. Hopefully it wasn't a blanket certification.
Since the addition of vehicles 25 years old to HPOF, it seems to have attracted many late model antiques whose owners in some cases don't want to do anything to the car (like cleaning it) under the guise of keeping it original. Many of those late models could have benefitted from a little wash 'n wax and vacuuming, and still have been original.
On the other hand, I can think of several that I wonder why they are wasting their time in HPOF. As they appeared, could have more than likely received a 1st Junior and Senior. Many original cars have achieved that award. It also begs the question, is that particular vehicle such an outstanding original, or has "too much" restoration been done?
My HOPF vehicle was certified when 35 years was the rule, and I considered it quite an honor. Not sure today.
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Seriously, were any Mets ever used as taxis? Did anyone get the owner's story behind this "cutie"? I see it was awarded a 1st Junior.
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Called HR last evening. They received it and is due to be processed today. Now about that warm sunny day . . .
Lincoln Hearse @ Hershey
in AACA - Class Judging
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That's the one. The owner did say it is one of one. Odd that he said it was a '64 Caddy roof grafted on to the Lincoln.