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  1. I have done Disc brake conversions on my 57 Olds. and my 64 Riviera.

    Used Scarebird on both. No problem, brakes work great.

    Also changed to duel master cyl, and booster.

    See list of parts used for the 64 Rivera brake conversion below from Scarebird.

     

    Rocket 88

     

     

     

     

    Read instructions thoroughly twice.

    1. Crack front wheel nuts loose, chock up rear wheels.  Jack up front end of car, support crossmember with jackstands.  Remove front wheels and drum/hub assembly.
    2. Disconnect brake flexible line at frame by spraying with penetrant oil, then unscrewing hardline nut with flare wrench, then removing clip.  Undo lower drum backing plate nuts, and remove drum bolts.  Remove drum backing plate and all drum hardware in one assembly.  Clean off spindle assembly
    3. Slip adapter plate down over spindle with caliper opening to the rear and machined pocket engaging spindle boss. Bracket will fit between spindle and steering arm.
    4. Insert supplied top bolt and lock washer loosely, then reinsert lower bolts. Now torque upper bolt to 90 ft-lbs. and then torque lowers to 75 ft-lbs.
    5. (1961-64 only) Drive out 14mm x 1.5 studs out of rotors, and press in Moser 8368 (1.75”) or 8250 (1.938”) or equivalent studs.  NAPA also has 641-3204 (1-5/8”) or 641-1112 (1-15/16” use with ¼” wheel spacer only unless you chase the threads further down the stud).  I usually lube up the splines and threads with anti-seize, then press (do not hammer) studs into place.  Check to make sure studs are straight and fit inside wheel.  1965 Riviera will not need to change studs.
    6. Clean and repack wheel bearings.  Insert inner bearing into rotor, and install new seal.  Assemble rotor onto spindle, along with bearing and washer, then tighten outer nut to spec, then secure with keeper, new cotter pin and new dustcap.
    7. Wipe down rotor with alcohol, lacquer thinner or other cleaner to remove grease and oils.
    8. Wash hands! Rotor must be squeaky clean
    9. Test fit hoses on calipers.  Note how hose kicks in towards caliper to clear sway bar.  You may need to take an angle grinder to “flatten” the caliper where circled for clearance.  Make sure clearance is visible – if it hangs up the hose will leak.  Do not grind into sealing surface – be cautious and patient.  Carefully remove rubber sleeve on hoses with knife.  Hose should run straight down from caliper
    10. Install loaded caliper with bleed screw facing up, and lube contact areas with silicone grease then screw in slide bolts, tighten to 35 foot-pounds. (1961-64 only) Note the third picture – the outer pads will contact the rotor slightly – a moment with a bench grinder will radius it enough to clear. (1965 Riviera should clear fine).  We recommend using the softest pads you can find for street use, like NAPA’s TruStop organic.  Pads are the same application as calipers.  Check fitment and rotate rotor to check clearance.
    11. Hoses should run down from caliper as shown in first illustration, then up to hardline, forming a “J”.  Install new hoses with copper crush washers then reconnect to hard line.  Some hardlines may have a 7/16” nut – if so, you will need to use NAPA #7828 adapter, or cut off flare, insert 3/8” nut then reflare. Master cylinder and proportioning valve specs are quite varied.  I would recommend 1971-76 Riviera or similar disc master cylinder for best performance match available in both power and manual flavors.  Some have used the existing single chamber master cylinder with success.  If rear brakes lock up excessively, plumb in an adj. prop. valve in the line going to the rear.
    12. Bench bleed disc master cylinder, mount on car.  Gravity bleed first, then pressure/pump bleed entire system and test.  You will need to reset the toe-in. Count number of threads per inch at the tie rod sleeve.  Divide by 8.  This is the number of turns your sleeve needs to be spun to shorten the distance to make up for the thickness of the bracket.
    13. Replace wheels, torque wheel nuts, lower car and carefully test.  We use the 30-30-30 method to break in pads: 30 easy stops from 30mph with 30 seconds cooling between stops.  Then let cool ½ hour.

     

     

          

    Part                            Application                           NAPA             Wagner         Raybestos               

    Rotor (1961-64)       1995-99 GM ½ ton 2WD front       86258             BD125206     56258

    Rotor (65 Riviera)   1971-76 Riviera front                     85537             BD60258       5006

    Caliper, LH                1971-76 Cadillac Deville front     SE4631          CR83264       FRC4080

    Caliper, RH               1971-76 Cadillac Deville front     SE4630          CR83265       FRC4079

    Hydraulic hose       1977 Riviera front                           36797             F97664          BH36797

    Inner Bearing          1971-76 Riviera                               BR5                BCA A5         SKF CBR5

    Outer Bearing          1971-76 Riviera                               BR3                BCA A3         SKF CBR3

    Wheel Seal               1977 Riviera front                           19753                  BCA Part # 8871

    Dust Cap                  1971-76 Riviera                               BK7302438        Dorman 13977

    Banjo Bolt                1971-76 Riviera                               82698             Dorman # 4842061

     

    Scarebird Classic Brakes LLC  10 June, 2009  Rev B

     

    RIV B16 Brackets, Upper bolts(9/16-18 HHCS full), SAE banjo bolts, Cotter pins, Hose locks

     

     

     

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  2. I replaced the entire exhaust from Waldron, had the Exhaust headers powder coated first. (see pic)

    Everything fit as it should. no problem. I used the existing hangers , but bought 1/78 new clamps from NAPA.

    Since the exhaust is 13/4"

    Ask Waldron about a special shipping that will cost 1/2 as much as std shipping. Check if it available in your area.

     

    Note: I changed the tail pipes to come out straight under the bumper. (see pic)

     

    Sorry, no pictures after the install.

     

    Rocket88

     

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  3. When I bought my Riviera, the temp control valve had been brazed in the open position, due to a leaking condition.

    The seller informed me that he had purchased 2 original valves that also leaked.

    Wanting to do something about this valve, I did some research, and came up with this replacement.

    This is for the manual type valve.

    I did have to make a mounting plate, that was simple to do.

    Check the following photos.

    Note: The second picture shows the cable bracket removed and I used it as a pattern to make the mounting bracket

    as shown in the 3rd pic.

    Not original, but WORKS GREAT!!!

    NAPA  #935032

    Also check ebay.

    Rocket 88

     

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  4. I also had a pr. on back order from OPG for 9 months, got a call no longer available.

    I don't get it!!!!!

    Someone has the dies and won't produce the item???????????????

    Checked on plating cost. Was told $275.00 to $300.00 EACH.......

    OPG price was around $190.00 Pr.

     

    Rocket88

  5. https://www.opgi.com/riviera/1964/brake-systems/drum-brakes/BR03203/

     

    This is the one that I used as pictured above .OPG.address.

    Works great. Only a couple slight mods needed.

     

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    1. Drill lout the clevis.

     

    2. The inner and outer 2pc. firewall holes did not match. Use a drum sander to match them.

     

    3. Use a dremel  tool to cut away enough of the inner fender panel to get access to the distribution block.

    it will be covered by the rubber splash shield. note line wrench.

    3/16" lines to front, and 1/4" line to rear junction block.3/16 to rear wheel cylinders from rear block.

     

    4. Picture looking under dash.

     

    5. Move seat back for needed room to work.

     

    Be sure to order 2 wheel disc.

     

     

    Rocket88

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  6. I had checked some other disc brake conversion kit mfg. and most do not give you part numbers for parts in those kits.

    That means that you would need to go to that kit mfg. to replace any parts needed for replacement.

    As listed above Scarebird sends that list.

    I just go to my local NAPA dealer.

    I would also suggest you replace all brake lines, and rear wheel cylinders, as I did.

    RivNut

    It was interesting to see that Scarebird had changed some parts used back in 05.

  7. You should have used the Scarebird conversion system.

    Here are the instructions for that system that I have used on my 57 Olds, and my 64 Riviera.

    These ins. may help.

    Scarebird only sends the Backing plates and bolts. All parts needed can be purchased from NAPA---

    Wagner--and Raybestos. All part numbers are listed with the instructions.

    Yoy should also change to a Dbl. master cyl.

    I can send instructions to do so .

     

    clholsters67@verizon.net

     

     

    Read instructions thoroughly twice.

    1. Crack front wheel nuts loose, chock up rear wheels.  Jack up front end of car, support crossmember with jackstands.  Remove front wheels and drum/hub assembly.
    2. Disconnect brake flexible line at frame by spraying with penetrant oil, then unscrewing hardline nut with flare wrench, then removing clip.  Undo lower drum backing plate nuts, and remove drum bolts.  Remove drum backing plate and all drum hardware in one assembly.  Clean off spindle assembly
    3. Slip adapter plate down over spindle with caliper opening to the rear and machined pocket engaging spindle boss. Bracket will fit between spindle and steering arm.
    4. Insert supplied top bolt and lock washer loosely, then reinsert lower bolts. Now torque upper bolt to 90 ft-lbs. and then torque lowers to 75 ft-lbs.
    5. (1961-64 only) Drive out 14mm x 1.5 studs out of rotors, and press in Moser 8368 (1.75”) or 8250 (1.938”) or equivalent studs.  NAPA also has 641-3204 (1-5/8”) or 641-1112 (1-15/16” use with ¼” wheel spacer only unless you chase the threads further down the stud).  I usually lube up the splines and threads with anti-seize, then press (do not hammer) studs into place.  Check to make sure studs are straight and fit inside wheel.  1965 Riviera will not need to change studs.
    6. Clean and repack wheel bearings.  Insert inner bearing into rotor, and install new seal.  Assemble rotor onto spindle, along with bearing and washer, then tighten outer nut to spec, then secure with keeper, new cotter pin and new dustcap.
    7. Wipe down rotor with alcohol, lacquer thinner or other cleaner to remove grease and oils.
    8. Wash hands! Rotor must be squeaky clean
    9. Test fit hoses on calipers.  Note how hose kicks in towards caliper to clear sway bar.  You may need to take an angle grinder to “flatten” the caliper where circled for clearance.  Make sure clearance is visible – if it hangs up the hose will leak.  Do not grind into sealing surface – be cautious and patient.  Carefully remove rubber sleeve on hoses with knife.  Hose should run straight down from caliper
    10. Install loaded caliper with bleed screw facing up, and lube contact areas with silicone grease then screw in slide bolts, tighten to 35 foot-pounds. (1961-64 only) Note the third picture – the outer pads will contact the rotor slightly – a moment with a bench grinder will radius it enough to clear. (1965 Riviera should clear fine).  We recommend using the softest pads you can find for street use, like NAPA’s TruStop organic.  Pads are the same application as calipers.  Check fitment and rotate rotor to check clearance.
    11. Hoses should run down from caliper as shown in first illustration, then up to hardline, forming a “J”.  Install new hoses with copper crush washers then reconnect to hard line.  Some hardlines may have a 7/16” nut – if so, you will need to use NAPA #7828 adapter, or cut off flare, insert 3/8” nut then reflare. Master cylinder and proportioning valve specs are quite varied.  I would recommend 1971-76 Riviera or similar disc master cylinder for best performance match available in both power and manual flavors.  Some have used the existing single chamber master cylinder with success.  If rear brakes lock up excessively, plumb in an adj. prop. valve in the line going to the rear.
    12. Bench bleed disc master cylinder, mount on car.  Gravity bleed first, then pressure/pump bleed entire system and test.  You will need to reset the toe-in. Count number of threads per inch at the tie rod sleeve.  Divide by 8.  This is the number of turns your sleeve needs to be spun to shorten the distance to make up for the thickness of the bracket.
    13. Replace wheels, torque wheel nuts, lower car and carefully test.  We use the 30-30-30 method to break in pads: 30 easy stops from 30mph with 30 seconds cooling between stops.  Then let cool ½ hour.

     

     

          

    Part                            Application                           NAPA             Wagner         Raybestos               

    Rotor (1961-64)       1995-99 GM ½ ton 2WD front       86258             BD125206     56258

    Rotor (65 Riviera)   1971-76 Riviera front                     85537             BD60258       5006

    Caliper, LH                1971-76 Cadillac Deville front     SE4631          CR83264       FRC4080

    Caliper, RH               1971-76 Cadillac Deville front     SE4630          CR83265       FRC4079

    Hydraulic hose       1977 Riviera front                           36797             F97664          BH36797

    Inner Bearing          1971-76 Riviera                               BR5                BCA A5         SKF CBR5

    Outer Bearing          1971-76 Riviera                               BR3                BCA A3         SKF CBR3

    Wheel Seal               1977 Riviera front                           19753                  BCA Part # 8871

    Dust Cap                  1971-76 Riviera                               BK7302438        Dorman 13977

    Banjo Bolt                1971-76 Riviera                               82698             Dorman # 4842061

     

    Scarebird Classic Brakes LLC  10 June, 2009  Rev B

     

    RIV B16 Brackets, Upper bolts(9/16-18 HHCS full), SAE banjo bolts, Cotter pins, Hose locks

     

     

     

     

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  8. Hi Tom,

    Thanks for the reply about the mirror.

    I have been looking for another mirror that I can install on the passenger side.

    Doesn't have to be remote.

    I do have a 57 Olds. 88 Ht.

    I did purchase a 1964 Riviera in 1964. Wish I would have kept it.

    Just purchased this one last year. Has the build sheet and protecto plate, nice car. 425

    Thanks again

    rocket88

    Chuck

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