Ben Popadak
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Laverne Burt of Gorham Maine has been gone for probably 15 years now. He had at one time 1 1/2 Mason chassis and I'm presuming that you have his projects. He had a replacement 2 cylinder and a line on a transmission, I presume that too might have been a replacement. When the projects sold I was quite surprised to see the new owners advertise and sell the engine. Laverne looked long and hard for a Mason engine and never found one. I hope that minimum you find a great replacement engine and continue with the project. With an original automobile, you have more opportunity for duplicating accurate parts than most people would. Thank you for sharing your project with us.
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Locomobile Ron is good.
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Wow! Those two big cars are beasts! The automobile is probably as tall as most of those people in the photos. That poor little engine must be giving all it can with six passengers and the car being oversized. They don't have any features that would tell me they are Locomobiles.
Those two big cars are certainly from the same family. Maybe one is a rebuild of the other but that would involve so much work I don't believe it would have been justified. I say "two" big cars as the picture on the bottom shows control knobs underneath the front seat, the body is made for passengers in front, passengers in the very back (there is no round chimney getting in the way), and the very back most "wall" is straight up and down. The lower engine in the top two photos show the crankshaft and rods being hidden. I think they are hidden as they have covers but the Toledo had a cast iron lower frame where the rods and crank were hidden and enclosed in an oil bath.
As for Conrad, that would be a Roger question but Conrad was a very small producer, which means limited resources and when money is tight, it's usually not thrown at new models and development and those two cars would probably have been a large undertaking
Thank you for sharing the photos. Very interesting.
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I haven't been out for a walk for quite a while but when the weather is better and there is no Covid, I often walk by this place during lunch. No Locomobiles displayed any more, too bad. Maybe I'll inquire at the parts department and see if they have any NOS Locomobile steam parts.
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Hello from Maine.
Car is a 1904 Rambler and the elaborate rear fenders tell me it is a 2 cylinder. A very nice car indeed. Most of them now a days have the surrey top, which while the same car, was their top of the line. Many a fine old car became a tractor up our way so if you have the car, even with a Model TT truck rear axle, I'll come and pick it up off you for free any wheres in the state.
Ben Popadak
Bowdoin, Maine
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The 1903 Cleveland engine casting is extremely close to that of many other circa 1903 one cylinder automobile engines. From across a room you would have a hard time telling an Oldsmobile casting, from a Rambler casting, from a Northern casting. In the Curved Dash Oldsmobile club there has been new main engine castings offered for sale. I was wondering just how close the Cleveland is to the CDO. Also maybe a raw/unmachined, CDO engine casting would be "close enough" and allow you some luxuries of small changes that more closely matched the Cleveland engine.
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Now THAT would make one heck of a speedster.
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I hate auto corrupt.
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Thank you Casper, I live and learn.
Awesome photo though. One horseless carriage is find. A large collection of them is unheard of. A lot of history in that old photo.
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Curved dash Olds, curved dash Olds,
1902 Rambler, radiator appears to include so I would say 1903 Cadillac
1903 Cadillac or Ford, I can't tell as I can't really see if the radiator angles back or not, another 1902 Rambler
curved dash Olds, Franklin
and another curved dash Olds and an "I don't know"
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Very nice work. I've been enjoying your posts.
The West System is some nasty stuff. What do you use for a respirator or for ventilation?
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Lugged a pile of wood kindling that use to be pieces of two incomplete 1903 Rambler bodies into the house back in November when it was warmer. Started between Christmas and New Years to measure up the pieces so I could make heads or tails of how everything went together. I have the job about half measured up and drawn out. Will be working again at it as soon as I'm done goofing off and typing. Anybody who has an original 1903 Rambler body and could help with dimensions, I would greatly like to hear from them. Also please contact me if you have any NOS 1903 Rambler parts.
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"Project cars are now a hard sell due to restoration costs." So Pierce one cylinder engines are probably cheap today?
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What model Overland?
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Hello Al,
Would you have a Locomobile Newton Mass nameplate?
Ben
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The horn coils laying flat rather than standing upward and no screen mesh cover over the front is typical of a style of horn used on the AA style Maxwells, circa 1909 to 1911, the little 2 cylinder cars. Not sure it's a direct match. Most surviving cars use whatever horn they can find so there are few photo references to go to.
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I have journeyed long and far, once again to contact the guru and to gain his knowledge.
The other photo that was submitted of the 1907 that is marked on the photo as a 1907 model 24 is actually a model 25 (some of these photos from AMC are mismarked). The covers on the back of the runningboard that normally cover the end of the springs are there to cover the sprockets on the dual chain drive. The model 25 was 4-cylinder 35-40 hp and the model 24 was 4-cylinder 25-30 hp. The model 24 used a driveshaft. The other photo added is a 1908 model 31 2-cylinder model. All of the 2-cylinder models from 1907 through 1909 used this style cowl.
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Talked with my Rambler guru. He says that style cowl was used on the later 1907 Rambler model 24 which is a 4 cylinder automobile and the model 248. The 248 did not have louvers in the hood, so he would identify it as a model 24. He also mentions that there is only one Model 24 known to still exist.
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The second ring underneath the steering wheel means that it is a Rambler. Good catch keiser31.
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And yes I blatantly stole the picture from an ebay calendar for sale.
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And Al, when do we get to see YOUR Cleveland?
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The chain drive rear axle looks like Timken and there were several truck manufacturers who used them. I use to have a 13 Kisselkar truck and back then many of their trucks were firetrucks. Also the general shape of the radiator looks similar. I think it might be Kisselkar.
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Best of luck. Anybody who likes early Caddy's, rear entrance tonneaus, Brushes and old cars, can't be all bad. Looked your car over a bunch of times on line. Green with envy.
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Love, love, love the car. Looked at it many times on the forum. But after 9 years of it being for sale, it isn't.
1910 Maytag Mason project car
in Our Cars & Restoration Projects
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Hello Joel,
Plugged in Maytag into my old computer email and I have the name of the guy who bought Laverne's stuff. I bought a spring off the guy and inquired about the axles in the photo he sent me evidently on the spring. That was back in 2011. So drop me a line in the private messages. A gentleman with the same name was still listed in a couple year old HCCA roster and he was out of California. Worth a try if he's not the guy you got your stuff from.