WCraigH Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 Recently, just before the Packard V-8 Club Meet, the driver's door electric window motor quit in my 55 Pat. This was the 3rd failure of that position's motor since I have owned my Pat. The driver's door gets the most use, so this was not unsurprising. The first two times, I was able to get another, good used motor and just R&R'd it. This time, I decided to see if it could be fixed.At the recommendation of fellow Packard V-8 Club member Paul in Las Vegas, I went to an "old time" electric repair shop there. I took 2 of these motors which were not working. I also took KevinAZ's starter and solenoid for preventive overhaul. Kevin's starter and solenoid were overhauled without problem, but the shop owner said he couldn't do anything about the window motors because "replacement parts are not available" and have not been for many years.A few days ago, I challenged local friend and fellow PV8C member "Bud" B. to attempt repair on at least one of these motors as he had been claiming he could do. Among other things, "Bud" was a master electrician and repaired electric motors while in the US Navy many years back."Bud" successfully made one good motor out of two non-working ones, as he claimed he could.If anybody else has a pair of non-working electric window motors for their 55-56 (maybe earlier are the same?), post a response if you're interested in having "Bud" try to make one good one out of the two. There would be $ involved, but it should be more than fair. We'll figure out the details if there's any interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_49packard Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 Window motors usually fail because of wear of the brush. Thus the repair is to fabricate a new brush or find a nos brush. Also the commutator should be "cleaned" up on a lathe and the com segements should be cleaned out. The other failure mode is the gear-then you need to find another motor to rob the gear from. Quite of a few of these motors replacement parts are available-UTC is one of the larger suppliers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCraigH Posted June 13, 2006 Author Share Posted June 13, 2006 Those failure modes are NOT what I have seen on these motors:Stripped brass gearsStripped worm gearsBroken driveshaftare what's typical. The brushes and windings were all good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Randy Berger Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 One of the faults of these 12-volt window motors is lack of a bushing where the worm goes through the casting. There is provision for one, but they were never installed. There should be three bushings on that shaft. There are only two, one at each end. Several failures can be attributed to the armature shaft snapping because the strain was making the shaft flex. I think it was Bob Aller who told me he turned bushings to fit in the space provided, packed new grease after cleaning out the old stuff that had hardened into a brick and never had another failure. The replacement motors did not have built-in circuit breakers, but two additional external ones that had to be wired into the circuit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BigKev Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 Is there not another newer motor that will in the Packard Window setup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCraigH Posted June 13, 2006 Author Share Posted June 13, 2006 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is there not another newer motor that will [fit] in the Packard Window setup? </div></div>Any and everybody who I've asked has said "NO". If anybody knows of one that is a direct bolt-in, please post. I've looked into replacing the existing regulator with an aftermarket (Hot Rod) style, but that would entail re-engineering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BigKev Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 I'll let you know how that goes. I am putting an aftermarket kit in the '54. I am going to remove the stock hand crank regulators, and put in a straight track units. I can do two windows for about $150. I bought a 1956 4 position power window switch for the drivers door, and a single switch for the front passenger door from E-Bay. I still need to find 2 more single switches for the rear doors.I'll put those in will at the same time I do the power locks. The locks will run off the alarm unit under the dash. They will lock and unlock with the alarm, and also with the ignition. Plus I'll put a switch under the dash on both sides just like Packard did with the Elctro-Locks option. See I can do the electrical stuff. Thats gravy for me. It's the body work and engine mechanicals that get me all twisted up. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Albert Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 you could always modify the original window cranks with two switches so it will look stock from the inside.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BigKev Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 I have seen those switches before, and thought about modifing the original cranks. But, hey its a 4 door, and I dont feel like having to reach back and over to roll the windows up and down. Just call me lazy! <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />Plus I already have the 1956 Master and 1 slave switch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_49packard Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 Current windowlift motors only have 2 bushings-one on each end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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