Guest Posted December 7, 2001 Share Posted December 7, 2001 We intermediate sale of historical carriage FORD 1914 CABRIOLET for our client.<P>Data about car:<BR>Sign : FORD 1914 CABRIOLET<BR>Producer : FORD USA MICHIGAN<BR>Vintage : 1914<BR>Technical condition : no defections of technical conditions ! (FIVA 1 ? 2)<BR>Notes : there is no mark type ?T?, we supposed that it is prototype<BR>Visual documentation is available.<P><BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <p>[ 12-12-2001: Message edited by: peterg ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 7, 2001 Share Posted December 7, 2001 Too bad there are no Defections of technical conditions since our scientists would like to know what's going on in the Soviet bloc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 7, 2001 Share Posted December 7, 2001 LI -<BR>You've been reading too many Tom Clancy novels. Defection is no longer an option, unless you're Chinese, North Korean or Cuban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 7, 2001 Share Posted December 7, 2001 You're right Ted, the 'ol synapses must be shrinking. I was thinking of an old newspaper headline from '66, "Soviet analist defecates to the west". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 7, 2001 Share Posted December 7, 2001 Wasn't defecating to the east an option? Must have been the prevailing wind! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 8, 2001 Share Posted December 8, 2001 Which was due to an intestine rebellion in the gasfields of Hormuz led by the Trotskyist Rear Guard that had a bold impact on the southern end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 8, 2001 Share Posted December 8, 2001 According to reputable (?) sources inside the FSU, the Putinniks, direct descendents of Lenin, have huge undeveloped quantities of gaz that they would like to market to the world (N, S, E & W). So here we have the old "Evil Empire" aspiring to be the masters of methane marketing. Whew!! Don't light up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 8, 2001 Share Posted December 8, 2001 ok ok ok lets stop having a go at people and grow up Gents oops or is it kids ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 8, 2001 Share Posted December 8, 2001 Incroyable! C'est votre vielle ami GAZZER!<BR>Ted, I do believe the name of the Russian fuel conglomerate is GAZPOM so the appearance of our disingenuously disapproving comrade is quite apropos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 8, 2001 Share Posted December 8, 2001 hey boys this man came on to try sell a car not be slagged of by some jumped up yank takeing the [censored] out of them!!!! now i can understand why lot's from europe think the yanks are tw*t's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 8, 2001 Share Posted December 8, 2001 Gazzer, you Ben Ladin freaking friend, if you dislike us so much, why don't you stay away from this site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 8, 2001 Share Posted December 8, 2001 Gazzer, vous etes un salaud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 9, 2001 Share Posted December 9, 2001 Touche' Howard. Is this guy a self made man or can we blame someone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 9, 2001 Share Posted December 9, 2001 hvs sorry dont speak french. well you yanks now you see why people get pissed off with you your arrogant prats who dont care about any one else oh and i forgot to say at least we dont drop bombs on our own troops !!!!! look what a mess you lot have left in the past and expect some one else to clean up after you !!!!!! <P>go get a life boys and remamber you neet us in the end !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 9, 2001 Share Posted December 9, 2001 LI ~ A self made man is often an example of unskilled labor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 9, 2001 Share Posted December 9, 2001 Gazzer ~ History lesson for tonight.<P>In WW II <B>YOUR BRITISH LINER</B> the Queen Mary, or it could have been the Queen Elizabeth, sliced one of your cruisers in half in the Atlantic near the shores of the British Isles, killing hundeds of His Majesty's seamen. So what is this crap about not killing your own troops. War is hell and people get killed. <P>I seem to also recall that your island nation would have been up the creek without American troops, arms, money, clothing and much more during WW II. Consult with some of your fellow more educated Englishmen, assuming that you really are English. Somehow, I have difficulty believing that an Englishman could be as ignorant as you so clearly demonstrate.<P>Earlier on you claimed to be French, but now by your own admission, you speak not even the most basic French. What kind of a phony are you? ~ hvs<P>By the way, I think we should always cut a lot of slack to those on this forum who are from non English speaking countries, but do their level best to post in English. English is not an easy language to master for those poeple not having English as their native tongue. <P>What's your excuse?<p>[ 12-08-2001: Message edited by: hvs ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idle Swede Posted December 9, 2001 Share Posted December 9, 2001 GAZZER, if you are walking in front of the camel, who is cleaning up after you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 9, 2001 Share Posted December 9, 2001 Hey Idle ~ What's a nice Swedish boy like you doing hanging around with all of us rotten Americans? ~ hvs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 9, 2001 Share Posted December 9, 2001 GAZZER, Sie Scheisskerl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idle Swede Posted December 9, 2001 Share Posted December 9, 2001 Hi Howard, dont' have much choice, I'm stuck here Just came back from a 4 hour bike ride up & down the cost, absolutely beautiful, 80 degrees & clear skies.<BR>Will e-mail you a "funny" KK-calender as soon as I get it scanned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 10, 2001 Share Posted December 10, 2001 look kids time to grow up ....thought this was a car site not a slagging off one like i have said before i got slagged off <P>please use msm messenger to slag each other off <P>ok <P>end of subject .................................................... subject now closed ......................................................................................................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 10, 2001 Share Posted December 10, 2001 GAZZER ~ The subject will be closed when all interested parties have finished what they wish to post. You do not make <B>ANY</B> of the rules and I believe the majority really do not care what you want or like.<P>The only subjects which <B>YOU</B> can close are those which you originate.<P>However, if all of this bothers you that much, why not just move on and clutter some other forum. ~ hvs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idle Swede Posted December 10, 2001 Share Posted December 10, 2001 Well put Howard, boy I wish I could express myself like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 10, 2001 Share Posted December 10, 2001 Stop talking boys. Your discusion is not very interesting for us from Sowiet bloc.<P>Bye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 10, 2001 Share Posted December 10, 2001 You're absolutely correct and as the original instigator I hereby offer my sincere apology as I meant to offend no one, just could'nt resist the splendid opportunity your precariously worded post offered, my fault. Now please, give us more info on the model T, as much as you can plus the price you figure it's worth. You mention the much abused word "prototype" what documentation or provenance have you to support this assertion? look forward to reading your ad. Regards, Carleton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 10, 2001 Share Posted December 10, 2001 IB&C Ltd ~ I am not sure whether I owe you an apology or not. If you feel I do, it is offered herewith. <P>However, a close look at my posts will reveal that <B>ALL</B> were directed at one GAZZER and none at your organization or your post. <P>GAZZER has been a previous irritant on this forum, and I among others, take issue not only with what he says but how he says it.<P>While I am not a potential buyer for your vehicle, I certainly would be interested in learning more about it. Is there any chance that you can post a picture on here? ~ hvs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 10, 2001 Share Posted December 10, 2001 I guess one of the problems these guys from the Sowiet bloc have with us Americans is that since we have always had the freedom to speak we tend to do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 11, 2001 Share Posted December 11, 2001 Hi all! I'm glad, we are talking about cars again. . Now I have some questions: <BR>How can I post image of this FORD to this forum. Where can I find more technical resources about FORD (classics) on NET ? Can you give me some tips? Thanx. <BR>Miroslav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 11, 2001 Share Posted December 11, 2001 To NYC guy. You're right, freedom is still something new for us, but it's going better. . Miroslav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idle Swede Posted December 11, 2001 Share Posted December 11, 2001 Miroslav, send your pictures to PeterG, our webmaster, and he will post them for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 11, 2001 Share Posted December 11, 2001 Welcome Miroslav<BR>There are probably many old Ford experts here. Or should that read 'experts on old Fords'. Anyway, as suggested, if you can send a photograph, or even a detailed description you will no doubt get all the information you're looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 11, 2001 Share Posted December 11, 2001 Hey Miroslav -<BR>You might want to look at the following two Model T sites: <A HREF="http://www.modelt.org/" TARGET=_blank>http://www.modelt.org/</A> <BR> <A HREF="http://www.mtfca.com/" TARGET=_blank>http://www.mtfca.com/</A> <P>And give us some slack on the DF. After all we're just yank fools according to gazzer (what an appropriate moniker!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 12, 2001 Share Posted December 12, 2001 Thaks for interesting links. Pictures will be as soon as PeterG put them here. I found FORD serial&engine numbers list on <A HREF="http://www.mtfca.com." TARGET=_blank>www.mtfca.com.</A> Models 1914 starts at #408348, but our FORD has two engine numbers: first "15 O 5" (O means circle) on the right side of engine block and second "21-5" on the left side over the cylinders. In documentation of car is written: "no T mark, probably prototype". Can sombody help us identify this car ? I hope pictures will be helpful. I'll continue studying FORD resources on NET.<P>Miroslav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 12, 2001 Share Posted December 12, 2001 If we assume that this is a prototype, or development test mule, how does one go about establishing a value? There will be few (if any) comparable sales. If the car was historically significant (like the Model T), there will be historical value, but what kind of a premium would this bring over a standard production model. Are there enough prototypes (of all makes and models) extant for there to be a market in them? What kind of an export program did Henry Ford have? Were Model T's ever produced overseas under license agreements? If so, perhaps the car in question is somehow related. Perhaps there is a Model T Registry that would have a record of prototypes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 12, 2001 Share Posted December 12, 2001 pictures added. see original post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 12, 2001 Share Posted December 12, 2001 Miroslav ~ Please understand that I mean no offense and that this is just my opinion from looking at the pictures. I could very well be wrong.<P>This vehicle looks like something that someone built up starting with basic Model T parts. There are too many items that appear to be of later dating for this car to have been completed in 1914. In the USA before WW II many Fords were modified and there is no reason to feel that it was not done in Europe as well.<P>Again, I mean no offense and this is just my opinion. ~ hvs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 13, 2001 Share Posted December 13, 2001 Lets give Miroslav an honest assessment of the vehicle.<P>I'm no expert on this but from my perpective the car is certainly modified from original but im extremely skeptical that it is a "prototype". The car is obviously a T, but what isn't so obvious are the other pieces and parts on it. Would love to see a Model T enthusiast chime in here. <P>Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 13, 2001 Share Posted December 13, 2001 I am afraid I have to agree with Howard. The car seems to be heavily modified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 13, 2001 Share Posted December 13, 2001 Peter ~ I think my assessment of his vehicle was an honest one. Not an in depth assessment, but honest. I, and it appears that there are others, do not believe that anything other than parts came from the Ford Motor Co.<P>We doubt that this vehicle was produced by Ford in its present form. ~ hvs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 13, 2001 Share Posted December 13, 2001 Howard, I agree, your comments were accurate. what i was shooting for was something with a bit more detail for Miroslav. Somethat that can help him better understand what the vehicle is/was and what it's value might be.<P>Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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