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This is a Late Model Problem let the fans of those vehicled deal with it. </div></div>So what does that mean? Are we now seperating the AACA into those who want to resolve problems before 1940 and those after 1940?
I thought we were all one group dedicated to the same cause, The preservation of antique and classic cars.
I doubt that the majority in AACA think that way and I do not you think that way either, you just worded it incorrectly.
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I was looking at the dates for the GN in Kalamazoo and it is listed on the AACA Calendar as July 5-7, 2007. (Thursday - Sat. Banquet)
Has the Host Hotel been chosen as of yet? If so is there a web site to make reservations.
Also if we do two meets one week after the other (Binghamton, NY), does the paper work catch up with us as we head West, i.e. If we get a First Preservation in NY will the AACA know we are going for our 2nd in MI along with our GN?? Also, has the Host Hotel been chosen as of yet for NY June 28-30th? If so, is there a web site to make reservations.
It would be presumtious of me to think anything is automatic re. MI and state we are going for a 2nd when we have not yet received our First.
Thanks in advance,
Steven
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Year: 1959
Make: Chevrolet
Model: Impala Convertible w/ 348 cu.in. Tri-Power
Price: Inquire at 860-643-5874
Description: Color is Roman Red with white convertible top and red interior. Interior
fabric is NOS and bought off an original roll from a warehouse in Oregon.
For 70 pictures of this 100% Professionally Restored rare car go to:
Senior AACA Car. Scored 989 out of 1000 at two GM National Shows.
Grand National Champion, Carlisle GM Nationals 2005.
Best Detail of the show field, and Best Big Car Super Chevy, Epping NH 2006.
Complete frame off nut and bolt highly researched and detailed 1959 Chevrolet.
You will see at the above web site one of the best examples of a 1959 classic
ever restored. There are less than a handfull like this one. I need to go smaller
with a smaller trailer if I am to continue in this hobby. Probably a solid axle Vet.
There are 27 factory options on this car. Only trailered and not driven since
complete restoration. Every sq. inch and every part, nut, bolt, washer was
restored to GM factory original. Frame and many front end and rear parts powder coated to GM factory colors.
More than 400 hours of research time alone was put into finding out
what was what and only original 1959 cars were used as the base line.(yes, there are
still some low milage 1959 cars out there worth a fortune.)
Absolutely no disappointments with this car.
If we still have the car next summer we are planning to do Kalamazoo for an attempt
at our GN.
Additional contact information is on the web site indicated above and listed below.
Location:MA & CT
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Guess I am still not done with this as the hairs on my arms just stood up straight.
I have a problem where you purport that you see 20 places where deductions could be made. (BTW, this is not even my car)
As I was perusing other Posts on the AACA forums I came across this statement on a Post in the General Posting Forum under "Clones at AACA":
quote: "The ultimate award of a given vehicle usually comes from the marque club that knows that make and year and model, down to the fastener heads, hose clamps,underhood finishes and QC man grease paint marks. No car restored without strict adherence to originality score high with most of these groups.
The AACA judges are good, and know a great deal about many cars, but none of us knows everything about every given make and model down to minutia."
So in reading all the Posts since I started this, no one who responded here is even remotely comfortable with trying to find out where deductions on a 64 1/2 Mustang were taken. Most everything here resorts back to 1965's which were different. It looks like the margue club, aka MCA (Mustang Club of America), scored this car at 685 out of 700 so how can someone say without reservartion that there are 20 places for deductions. If I am correct, Don (Skipro) showed the Hershey Head Judge his "margue MCA judging sheets" during the judging process to answer some of his concerns.
Something is definitely out of whack here.
Steven
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To legally protect the AACA from documenting the fact that a car is or is not a "clone" (I really hate that word in our hobby) AACA's legal department shoud have a disclaimer in the front of the judging manual acknowledging the fact that they do not state any car is 100% authentic with respect to any VIN or Cowl lettering or numbering.
Anyone can go on the Web and have a Cowl plate made but the same is not true for a VIN unless you produce the State Registration card or other documentation.
Additionally, with many 50's classics it is a simple task to take out a smaller engine and replace it with a period correct larger big block to increase value with no car ID necessary other than the fact that the car had a V8 in the first place.
It is all about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and BJ has not helped this hobby but severly hurt it. Just my opinion.
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Thank you Wayne.
As to whether a 59 with undercoat would have tied, I do not why not as the dealer offered undercoating.
BUT...............AACA says as it was delivered TO the dealer. So I guess it is possible but up to the Lead Judge. I say let it happen. Not everone trailers their car like me so live and let live. The more the merrier.
I would have no problem with a 59 with undercoating got their award with me.
Steven
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Thanks Packards1. I am a very detail oriented individual.
Guess my dad imbedded the old saying in my head "anything worth doing is worth doing right!"
If you cheapen your restoration it will come back to bite you in the rear at some point and that could be the difference between getting your Grand National or not getting it.
Steven
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Year: 1959
Make: Chevrolet
Model: Impala Convertible w/ 348 cu.in. Tri-Power
Price: Inquire at 860-643-5874
Description: Color is Roman Red with white convertible top and red interior. Interior
fabric is NOS and bought off an original roll from a warehouse in Oregon.
For 70 pictures of this 100% Professionally Restored rare car go to:
Senior AACA Car. Scored 989 out of 1000 at two GM National Shows.
Grand National Champion, Carlisle GM Nationals 2005. The frame and most of the front
and rear end parts have been Powder Coated to GM colors as they were in 1959.
Best Detail of the show field, and Best Big Car Super Chevy, Epping NH 2006.
Complete frame off nut and bolt highly researched and detailed 1959 Chevrolet.
You will see at the above web site one of the best examples of a 1959 classic
ever restored. There are less than a handfull like this one. I need to go smaller
with a smaller trailer if I am to continue in this hobby. Probably a solid axle Vet.
There are 27 factory options on this car. Only trailered and not driven since
complete restoration. Every sq. inch and every part, nut, bolt, washer was
restored to GM factory original.
More than 400 hours of research time alone was put into finding out
what was what and only original 1959 cars were used as the base line.(yes, there are
still some low milage 1959 cars out there worth a fortune.)
Absolutely no disappointments with this car.
If we still have the car next summer we are planning to do Kalamazoo for an attempt
at our GN.
Additional contact information is on the web site indicated above and listed below.
Location: MA & CT
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Barrett Jackson has driven prices throught the roof. Don't get me wrong, I am not a fan of BJ and would never give them my car to sell, especially with no reserve.
However, like anything else, it is a supply and demand market on good restored vehicals. If you find the car you have been looking for, how much are you willing to pay.
I turned down six digits for my Senior 1959 Chevrolet Convertible with a Tri-Power 348. It is extensively done and was appreciated by several Europeans and South Americans last year at Hershey.
It is true, Europeans are willing to pay more for the right American Car than us. Is it because they do not see them everyday over there or are they speculating that the prices will rise faster that what they could get in return at Wall Street or a bank???
In my opinion you have to look at three things when buying a antique or classic car. First and foremost the rarity and how many you see out there in todays market. Second, the quality and originality of the restoration including the undercarriage. And third, the price.
I have looked at many cars in person and on Ebay (which I dislike) and hear the sellers say "total frame off nut and bolt restoration" but fail to show pictures of the undercarriage. When I do get to see the undercarriage I ask myself "is this guy on drugs". Some of these sellers have no conception of what a totally restored car should look like.
I do not have a problem with the asking prices on some cars but they better be like mine or I would definitely pass. I would not sell mine on the cheap side as there are over 1000 hours in labor alone. If you take that x $65.00/hour there is a cool $65,000. Good restorers get high prices for quality work. You can see my restoration at:
Just click on the picture of the red 1959 Chevrolet. Let me know what you think.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Steven
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Susan, so now you see how a judge can have an impact on someone. Wish life was that simple.
Thanks for all you and the other fine judges do out there every year in all kinds of weather.
Steven
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Well I said I was done with this but I have one more comment.
I am very impressed with the members who have responded here on this Post
and the AACA itself trying to get to the bottom with the reasons.
I would bet the best steak in Harrisburg that this gets at least reviewed and
hopefully overturned.
My interpertation of the rules was that something painted the same color but
perhaps a bit too glossy was always considered over restored. (no deductions)
Over restoration relates to ease of maintenance.
After all "black is black". When you look at something black you would not say
it is "light black" or "dark black" is it??? At my first judging school in Virginia Beach
the moderator stressed the fact that, in doubt, give the points to the car.
Thank goodness I have a classic with a huge trunk as I carry every piece of
documentation I own.
Susan, you were the head judge on my car in Hershey last year and you and your
group were very attentive and listened to my comments and most of all, very
professional. (remember the hood insulation question on 59's)Instantly resolved correctly.
Every team should follow this example. We are all members of and for the same cause.
I cannot wait to see the highlited areas of Skipro's sheets. I know this car.
Thanks again AACA.
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Well this engine compartment looks good to me. Or I am the blind man!!!
This car definitely deserved his Junior award and thats that!!!!
Something went south here. I have no more to say.
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I personally know his car but I was not in Hershey this year so I cannot attest to what did or did not happen, only he can tell the whole story.
I told him to go ahead and write the letter to the individual mentioned above and tell his side of it. These shows cost a bundle when you are hauling 800 miles round trip so I think, like most of you probably think, he desweves the chance to be heard.
What he mentioned to me is that the other Mustang (s) going for a Jr. were
nice but not fully show quality restorations. This is not to knock anyone's car as we all think ours is the best and we should.
His car is a completely restored car done by a quality restorer of Mustangs. There is nothing major out of whack with his car other than the "too much gloss" on the fenders. This is a trailered only car and that is a preference enjoyed by few and respected by most.
If I am correct there is no 1964 AACA class for Mustangs. His is a 64 and from my recolection they were referred to as 64 1/2 since they came out mid year from Fomoco.
So I will let him know what has taken place on this post and he can take it from here.
Thank you to all who are trying to help out with this most unfortunate episode.
Knowing this car makes me feel very bad for him that he was not awarded his Junior. Maybe it can get worked out somehow.
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Mr. Moskowitz Please feel free to provide info on this for me.
I am asking this for a friend who is actually broken down on his way home from
the Hershey meet.
He has absolutely one of the Best 1964 Mustang Convertible's I have ever seen.
The car scored 685 out of 700 at a National Mustang Meet several months ago.
He was attending Hershey for a First Junior. He did not get it. I am in disbelief!!!!
He was told he had a serious problem with the car.
His inner fenders were too glossy and not semi-gloss.
OK, so was that enough to take away a First Junior?
He said there is no possible way this car could not have scored 380 or better and
be within the required 10 points of the highest car even with a little more gloss than maybe acceptable. The point deduction should have been very minor and fallen into an over restored situation and somewhat allowed by the rules of AACA.
But for him not to get his First Junior someone would have had to deduct
for "non-authentic" which the car is positively not in any way shape or form. It was an unmolested
car before restoration.
Someone help me out here as I am ready to do an engine compartment on a car so where does this fall within the judging guidelines - non-authentic or color change??? or none of the above just over-restored?
Thanks in advance and keep up the terrific work at AACA.
Steven
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Thanks to all that responded. We are looking forward to Kalamazoo, MI in 2007.
But, I hope the venue for FL is not in July. Humidity gets me very sick. How about in May before hurricane season? Just a suggestion. Probably been all planned already.
Steven
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Lets see if someone can get me straight.
I earned my Senior in Virginia beach, which means I cannot try for a AGN in Dover. Correct so far? So what does the *** nean in notes on Page 80?
Also, in one area it states that a minimum of 380 Points are needed for a GN but in another 390 for a Senior Grand National. So if I score 391 in my first AGNM do I skip the Grand National Award and automatically earn a Senior AGNM award? I don't think so!
Or do I have to go through the graduated steps and earn a GN first if I score more than the 380 but in the following year I will need 390 or above to earn a Senior GN award. Correct?
Is the Senior Tab for a GN the same Tab that you get as a Senior National First Prize Winner? I know the AGNM Plaque is a different one than the National First.
One last question. Can you earn a Preservation in a AGNM as well?
Sorry for this long desitation but two of us are reading the book and coming in with different interpertations.
Thanks,
Steven
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I know three couples that will go back to VB in 2008 if you held a GN there.
If anyone can do a great job, it's the Tidewater AACA Club. How an we talk them into it?
No way I am going to FL in the middle of hurricane season, extreme heat and 95% hummity.
You will be picking them up off the field in droves.
Steven
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Thank you Steve. Do you have dates for the MI GN? (Kalamawho?)
Steven
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Since we just received our Senior at Virginia beach, I was wondering if the venue has been set for the 2007 and 2008 Grand national Meets.
Since this years is in Delaware, that would mean that next year it is Westm of the Mississippi and 2008 back on the East Coast. Not likely we can get West so we may have to wait for 2008. Seems like a lifetime.
Any imput is appreciated.
Steven
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I can relate to the $200/night at Hershey. Never will stay in Town again
at those rates. Especially when the hotel for $200 is a flea bag.
Geez, what a great way to turn off the hobbyist. I know we are a free enterprise country, but $200/night for a room similar to a Motel 6. Complete turn off for me.
Look at the hotel we just enjoyed at Virginia Beach for $85/night. Will stay up near I80 from now on if this continues and just bring in the trailer and car day of the show. Sure the AACA can arrange "set" rack rates for just the registered car entries. Can they???? Would they???? Will they???? The general public, who we help bring in, can pay the absorbinet room rates. Give the guys showing their cars a break.
Steven
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Just got home (12 hour drive) from the Tidewater AACA Club Meet
in Virginia Beach.
Words cannot describe the exceptional job these men and women did in the organization of running this meet, from the greeting when we arrived at the host hotel to the awards banquet.
I hope everyone who puts on a meet of this magnitude takes a page from this group's commitment to our hobby.
The most friendliest group of guys and gals I have had the honor to meet at any AACA event.
Steven Vieira
59 Chev Convertible
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Thanks for your answer. The 59 assembly manual clearly states on the page indicating the insulation "except 1867". 1867 is a convertible model. There is a 18" x 18" square pad between the cross metal under the hood for the convertible. No insulation on the 58 convertible is also correct.
I have researched this extensively with Chevy Talk.com, Classic Chevy and Late Great Chevy's as well as a few technical advisers and they all agree with the assembly manuals.
Do not know why Buick had it and Chevy did not. Maybe because Chevy was considered a "poor man's" car!
Steven
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Yes, I have already figured out that in 2007 it is in the West. All depends how far West it will be. I could get old chasing these awards, but it's worth it.
See ya all in VB in 2006.
Steven
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Thanks Tommy. Yea, Hershey was really wet. It just stopped raining here in MA about 6pm tonight. What a mess. I started building an Ark and was starting to pick two of everything to take with me; two 58 convertibles, two 61-63 convertibles, etc, etc.
Maybe we can hookup in VB.
Thanks,
Steven
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I have sold my 1959 Chevrolet show car and therefore my 2005 Thule (Cargo Pro) All Aluminum Trailer is now for sale. This trailer would cost $17,200 new. It is a total of 30 feet 2 inches from ball to end weighs 3100 pounds and the external color is medium grey. It has a raised floor so the inside wheel wells are only 6 inches high from the floor. The box itself is 24 feet with a 51 inch Vee and the tongue making the total 30-2 from ball to end. It has less than 4500 miles on it and has double 5000# axle, rear aluminum diamond plate rear door, cabinets in the Vee up and down all aluminum with double doors, carpeted on the walls up to 3 feet, all aluminum white finish on the walls, aluminum diamond plate floor and white aluminum ceiling, 4 foot side escape door, 3 foot main door, 5000# Super Winch with battery and charger and a 120vac outlet on the outside of the trailer for AC hookup and charging and one on the inside for the charger, flourencent light in front near cabinets 120ac, 5 12vdc lights, backup lights, roof vent, steel wheels with chrome plastic cap covers, spare new tire mounted at rear inside of trailer, safety chains and DOT lighting.
This is one heck of a deal for someone and this trailer can be bought for $12,950.00.
Call me at 508-252-9067 home, or my cell phone at 508-962-3267. My email address is sfvmcv@comcast.net.
I will be away traveling until February 23rd, so email up to that date please. When I return I can email interested parties four pictures. This trailer is located in Southeastern MA (Rehoboth, MA) 50 miles South of Boston or 11 miles from the Eastern Rhode Island/MA line.