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West Peterson

Was I an A$$?

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I think I need to go to confession. As I was walking away from my 1940 Packard at a high-end grocery store parking lot, a gentleman (with his wife) saw my car and said, "I'll trade you." Without thinking, I looked at the Toyota symbols on the wheels of his SUV and said, "If it were American, I'd consider it." He responded with a short, "Sorry."

I feel like a heal, still, three days later. Just had to get this off my chest.

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Sure it was a cutesy remark but the way our native auto industry is suffering it was not unfounded. I refuse to buy anything from off shore simply because we need to support our industry not because import quality is bad. If folks had known the future long-term consequences of their auto buying habits in 1955 we'd all be better off with far more American choices.

I wouldn't feel bad about it for long. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

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Wes - you lose ! Next time you get a chance...go to a Toyota dealer and look at the "Monroney" stickers. In the case of the Toyota Sienna, for example...it is an AMERICAN car. American designed..sourced HERE of AMERICAN parts, built here! (which may explain its superb quality...the Japanese have found their over-all bottom line is better here in AMERICA with our highest quality AMERICAN labor !

I just got rid of my 2001 GMC 6500 because I couldnt STAND the poor quality one more day. MEXICAN transmission (yeah...said "Spicer" on it...a famous old American name...)....Rear axle...said "Eaton" on it....famous American name..from SPAIN !. About the only thing that was REALLY American, as far as I could tell...was SOME of the sheet metal stampings.

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Wes, You would trade your Packard for an SUV of any origin? I could see you trading for another Packard but not one of those godawful ugly boxes!!

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No. Of course I wasn't serious about trading. I just think I should have kept my mouth shut. He was just trying to be friendly, and I basically let him know that old-car owners are unfriendly A$$es.

However, I sure liked Ken's idea of a response! Then again, one is about all I can handle (and poorly, at that).

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West, We all at sometime have said things which are not in the best of good taste but that is life and it is best to just move on and forget it. A spoken word is like a bullet. Once it's shot off it can't be recalled.

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When I was in the parade, a lady yelled "You're hot"! I responded "and the car's not bad either!" <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

The only time I had someone get mad is when I refused to tell him what the car was worth and final said "somewhere between a Pinto and the Space Shuttle".

West...I guess you were just having a patriotic American day <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

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trick is to try and stay friendly when the whacko comments come in. Of course we all get these "hey..buddy..bet that thing will pass anything 'cept a gas station"....."where did you get tires for that"..? The one that I do have to say has caused me to get just a trace aggravated..is...when they ask me if I BOUGHT IT NEW....!

The old car hobby is going to need all the help we can get, to protect us from all sorts of people..some well-meaning, some not, who want us off the road, out of site, and under "control". My suggestion (and...yeah.I really DO try and follow my own suggestion..but sometimes....) is to take the silly comments with a smile, and try and engage em in a conversation that just MIGHT make a new old car buff....!

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">when they ask me if I BOUGHT IT NEW</div></div> Well did you my old friend.... <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

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"....."where did you get tires for that"..?

And so where do you get tires for your Packard? Are they radials?

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We are all allowed the occasional slip of the toungue. Who knows, something good may come of this - the next time the hapless minivan owner is considering a purchase and has the opportunity to buy American, maybe he will remember what the guy with the neat old car said..

Of course I find one of the easiest ways to draw someone who wants to ask many questions is when you are knee deep trying to figure out some sort of problem.

West, you can make up for it by letting some guy from CT take a ride in that nice Packard some time..

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I honestly feel that no matter where the car was built, if the profits go to a country other than America, it's not an American car !!! Does anyone feel the same way I do? .......Steve

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Agree, Steve. Not a judgement, but we have had 4 Hondas over the years, fantastic fit & finish, but went back to American in the late 90s for a couple reasons - US automakers had closed the quality gap to a large degree by then & even with extensive US operations, foreign companies are foreign companies. Topic has already been covered extensively elsewhere in this forum, but turning over one of the largest industries in the world to foreign countries just does not make a lot of sense to me. I think the quality gap is now largely perception - and at least around here where you may not be viewed as "sophistocated" for driving US brands. We now have 3 everyday cars, 2 2003 Explorers and a used VW for the kid. The Fords have been as trouble free as the Hondas, with both around 75K on them & virtually nothing mechanical going wrong. Interestingly both have had issues with the heater fan, but that is about it. If the US automakers want to attract new buyers I think the one area to focus on is making entry level or economy type cars a bit better, I would agree that is a market secter where quality may be lagging a bit there still.

Back to Packards - I still don't think West committed a cardinal sin!

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I honestly feel that no matter where the car was built, if the profits go to a country other than America, it's not an American car !!! Does anyone feel the same way I do? .......Steve </div></div>

I do. With Japan building something like 1.4 million cars here and importing another additional 2.5 million into the USA each year, the majority of those profits leave our country. Now add a up to $16,200 tax break per vehicle imported into the USA one wonders how the big 3 have survived this long.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">West, you can make up for it by letting some guy from CT take a ride in that nice Packard some time.. </div></div>

Ride?? Shoot, I don't give no rides unless the person doesn't want to drive it! When will we be in the same place at the same time? I'm hoping to have it in Hershey. I should set up a special booth... "Take it for a spin!!"

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I honestly feel that no matter where the car was built, if the profits go to a country other than America, it's not an American car !!! Does anyone feel the same way I do? .......Steve </div></div>

Two reasons I have owned Ford Crown Victoria's for 25 years is because they are built right here in Ontario Canada,and my dad worked at Ford for 35 years. They have all been d***m good cars! Buy American and Canadian <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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Well West we can rationalize the dubious bastardized heritage of "world cars" all day and the bottom line is the the 1940 Packard was All American. Regardless of whether a Honda was built in Georgia by rednecks the corporate entity off shore still reaps the profits.

Dumping cars and trucks at below-cost prices that couldn't be passed up by the American buying public was how the Japanese auto industry made inroads here. Glutting a marketplace with any item sold for less than it cost to make is not honest competition it's underhanded. Purposely losing money till you build a customer base because you have deep pockets and are able to get into the black is not a standard business practice. That's what they did many years ago and I have no desire to reward underhanded foreign manufacturers auto or other.

Subverting a marketplace is not honest competition.

Anyhow if this guy in the toyota was miffed, you know what they say. **** him if he can't take a joke. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The one that I do have to say has caused me to get just a trace aggravated..is...when they ask me if I BOUGHT IT NEW....!</div></div>

the one that frosts my gonads is

"Packard Hmmmmm Uh who made that Ford or Chevy"

It should be legal to put those kinds of people out of everyones misery.

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Al, you need to bring a sense of humor to the question. You can always answer they were built by Brobdingnagian Motors located on a peninsula in Southern California which was an independent state when Packards were built there. When the President of Brobdingnagian Motors, Jonathan Swift, died, the citizens lost all interest in providing outsiders with automobiles and only assemble them for the local citizenry. They will provide some parts such as muffler bearings if asked politely.

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For Twitch:

I disagree with you on your theory on how Toyota and Honda got so successful. Price may have had a lot to do with SOME of the people who FIRST started buying their products when they first came into the country. There were some real quality and performance issues with their very first attempts, and that hurt their sales.

But look how fast they learned ! By the time we first started buying Toyota and Honda products (1971 model year) our motivation was based primarily on the reputation for durability they worked so hard to establish.

One of the Packard clubs, prints with each new issue of its newsletter, what a tough and rewarding "master" a reputation for value and quality is. Toyota and Honda seem determined with a vengence to maintain their hard-won reputation for durability and value in the respective price range car you buy from them.

I suggest THAT is their secret for success.

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Peter, I do agree both Honda and Toyota worked hard for a reputation for durability - also credit is due to these companies as they drove the US makers to finally start catching up in so many areas..

West, I attend Hershey every year (As I recently told my cousin - "it is great you want to get married in October, but if it conflicts with Hershey, we will wish you the best from PA!) and would love to drive that Packard. Never driven one, but I hear you do not have to speed up for hills and double clutch like the Model A...:D

Actually hoping to get a chance to drive a friends '40 120 this year. Restoration is almost complete. He has had it 25 years, and while not a novice restorer by any means, for a variety of reasons this car has been started and put off a few times. Watching this one closely as he has hinted about driving it for a season and then selling it.

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Look, the Japanese "dumped" vehicles on the US market. That's a fact. It has nothing to do with their quality which is fine now. In 1971 neither Toyota or Honda had any track record of quality or durability. 1971 was Hondas very 1st car the N600. Not long before 1971 Toyotas were cheeze boxes produced for the their domestic market. Hence in 1971 they had no reputation as good cars in the US.

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