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Long story short, I'm graduating next month with my MBA.

I'm doing a monster report and presentation on the Hybrid Auto Industry (it was the only way I could do something about cars ).

Please reply to this thread, so I can have all the responses in one place.

Thanks!

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1. What is your current daily driven car?

Year

Make

Model

2. How many miles do you commute per year?

<5,000

5,000-10,000

10,000-15,000

15,000-20,000

25,000+

3. What MPG do you currently get in your daily driver?

4. Have you ever owned a hybrid vehicle?

5. If you answered NO for question 4, do you plan on purchasing a hybrid in the future?

6. If you answered NO for questions 4 and 5, please state the reason.

7. If you answered NO for questions 4 and 5, would you be willing to purchase a diesel with equivalent gas mileage rather than a hybrid?

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1. 1988 Buick Station Wagon

2. 40 miles a day round trip

3. 18 mpg winter / 13 summer

4. No

5. No plans at the moment, though wife may argue for one.

6. I like my big paid for American cars and trucks.

7. The only way I will buy a diesel is to replace one of the pickups I have now with it.

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Guest my3buicks

2004 Buick Rendezvous CXL Plus

25,000 plus

20-21 mpg average daily 22-25 trips

no

no plans to

would not purchase one until they become the norm, still a "cult" car - but I would never say I would never own one

I would purchase a diesel IF there was a model that suited my needs - as of now there is neither a hybrid or a deisel that resides in the engine bay of a vehicle I would want to purchase.

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1. What is your current daily driven car?

Year 1996

Make Chevrolet

Model Impala

2. How many miles do you commute per year? 25,000+

3. What MPG do you currently get in your daily driver? 18-20

4. Have you ever owned a hybrid vehicle? No

5. If you answered NO for question 4, do you plan on purchasing a hybrid in the future? No.

6. If you answered NO for questions 4 and 5, please state the reason. I like horsepower. I can't work on a hybrid myself. And there is no long-term reliability like a big, fat V8.

7. If you answered NO for questions 4 and 5, would you be willing to purchase a diesel with equivalent gas mileage rather than a hybrid? No.

You won't get a very "average" sampling of opinions here, but happy to oblige...

Doug Cook

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Guest unclefogey

1. 98 Ford Ranger, 2.5L

2. Retired, no commute, but manage to put on 14K per year.

3. 19 MPG winter, 21 summer.

4. No

5. No

6. When an analysis is presented that indicates the purchase of a hybrid without a tax credit will save a total of $1000 ($200 a year) over a five year period compared to a comparable equivalent non hybrid, I will consider it.

7. No, unless GM puts a diesel in a 1/2 ton Suburban like my '91 was, AND the extra cost of the diesel is overridden by fuel cost savings over the same five years. At a minimum it has to be a wash. I am no longer impressed by macho noise and stink, I want real numbers.

When you are doing your PhD. thesis, consider analyzing what ebay is doing to swap meets. Just returned from Portland, OR where they failed to fill about a third of the stalls in the last building at the Expo Center for the first time in years.

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1. What is your current daily driven car?

Year 1996

Make Chevrolet

Model 1500 Pickup

2. How many miles do you commute per year? 10-15,000

<5,000

5,000-10,000

10,000-15,000

15,000-20,000

25,000+

3. What MPG do you currently get in your daily driver? 15

4. Have you ever owned a hybrid vehicle? no

5. If you answered NO for question 4, do you plan on purchasing a hybrid in the future? NO

6. If you answered NO for questions 4 and 5, please state the reason.When they make a hybrid truck that can pull a Roadmonster over the Rockies or through the Appalachians sure, bring it on.

7. If you answered NO for questions 4 and 5, would you be willing to purchase a diesel with equivalent gas mileage rather than a hybrid? yes

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1. What is your current daily driven car?

Year: 1990

Make: Mercury

Model: Grand Marquis GS

2. How many miles do you commute per year?

<5,000

5,000-10,000

10,000-15,000: X

15,000-20,000

25,000+

3. What MPG do you currently get in your daily driver?: 20 mpg hwy, 17 mpg city.

4. Have you ever owned a hybrid vehicle?: NO

5. If you answered NO for question 4, do you plan on purchasing a hybrid in the future?: No.

6. If you answered NO for questions 4 and 5, please state the reason. Probably not until my 16 year old cars get too expensive to maintain or find fuel for; and after the hybrids are around long enough to become efficient (I am letting others work out the "bugs" first). The high cost of these vehicles currently will not be off-set by paying less at the pump. If I have no car payment, and I pay $40/week for fuel, why should I pay $20/week for fuel and pay $386/month in car payments for 5+ years?

7. If you answered NO for questions 4 and 5, would you be willing to purchase a diesel with equivalent gas mileage rather than a hybrid? No. I don't believe that a diesel is more fuel efficient. It doesn't burn the fuel as thoroughly, and smells. Diesels leave black soot deposits on the bumpers (or the simulated bumpers of today). If I need a truck to haul heavy loads regularly, I would consider a diesel.

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Just a note: Your sample contains a lot of old-car enthusiasts. Many of the general population believe that they should buy a $30K+ car to replace theirs in order to save money at the gas pump. Many like the styling trend towards Euro-Japanese and "Jetsons" cars. What I am saying is that we may not be representative of the general population in AACA/BCA, statistically.

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Guest greg72monte

1 - 2005 Buick LeSabre Limited

2 - <5000

3 - 20? never really checked

4 - NO

5 - NO

6 - No long term payback proven, especially when you consider the battery replacement cost.

7 - Yes, I would consider it with the cleaner diesel fuels and no big up-front premium price.

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Guest sixpack2639

1981

Oldsmobile

Delta 88 Royale Coupe

<5,000

18 city 22 hwy

NO

NO

Not impressed by them. No real long term reliability study results.

Possibly, but I doubt it.

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1995

GMC

VANDURA

5-10,000 YR

17MPG

NO

NO

I WOULDN'T SAVE ENOUGH TO JUSTIFY THE COST

NO ON THE DIESEL ALSO (HAD ONE ONCE AND IT RAN GREAT[1994 CHEVY 4X4 6.5 TURBO]

BUT IT COST ME $6,000 EXTRA FOR THE TURBO DIESEL SO WHERE IS THE SAVINGS

SCOTT

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1. 1995 Ford Explorer

2. <5,000

3. ~14 MPG

4. No

5. No plans at this time

6. Initial extra cost of Hybrid outweighs the gas mileage savings, and additional complexity is sure to add to extra maintenance costs

7. No Diesel (can't stomach the smell of the exhaust!)

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1 2004 Rendezvous

2 12,000-15,000 (I am retired)

3 20-25 MPG

4 NO

5 NO

6 I am not convinced that hybrids save anything! They just shift the

environmental problem from one place to another. The highway mileage can be

matched by numerous vehicles, and battery replacement will be prohibitive.

The only advantage I see is the government subsidy.

7 No! I guess I am a dinosaur, as I still like my old gas engines.

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Interesting replies on the Diesel fumes, noise etc.

I travel to India where every car, truck, moped etc. run on diesel and their cars are just as quiet as ours are. No clacking like you hear on the trucks over here. Of course they are only 2.0 liter engines in the car.

Gas is also now about 52 Ruppes a liter which translates to 4.38 a gallon. Diesel is abaout 1/2 the cost.

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Great survey, interesting that the some drivers actually drive over 25,000 miles per year.

My answers;

1. 1989 Caprice, 1990 Caprice(can't have too many of the good ones!)

2. less than 5000 miles

3. about 16 on a trip

4. No

5. No

6. Would be no advantage to me. Working at home, the fuel crises will never hit here.

7. No, Same reasons as 6.

Interesting that the age group of AACA members, for the most part, allows us to survive with older cars, saving in purchase costs and also property taxes. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Wayne

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1 - Driving a 2000 VW Jetta Diesel

2 - Work from home, but travel for business about 20,000 year plus pleasure - total 25,000

3 - About 45 mpg, highway only - better

4 - Never owned one

5 - Possible, if the VW ever gets tired

6 - I would more likely purchase another diesel VW. Now at 150,000 miles and running strong. Deisel has all options except auto power seats and zone interior climate control and a bit of plastic wood trim (who needs it). I have sun roof, leather heated seats, alloy wheels, and when that turbo kicks in on acceleration I am close to IC engines in acceleration, but nothing like the '68 Riviera.

7 - Most definately the VW diesel would be strongly considered. However, I have not paid attention regarding the newer diesel engine models.

Note to Keith, if you go back and read this - you should give the VW diesel a test ride. A bit small for a crowd, but my business driving is only with myself on board.

Good luck with your report, but I likely do not fit into your sample as I already am a diesel owner and may fit the normal profile.

John

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I should add to my previous, except for the latest increases in diesel fuel, the additional cost for a diesel VW (I recall mine was about $600), the cost savings was considerable. If that keep going up, I am off to Northampton, MA to by a tanke, filter, etc. to use waste cooking oil. Diesel in CT used to be cheaper then regular gas. But then the Riviera tank filling runs about $70. with an additive for the coompression.

John

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1. 1999

Cadillac

Seville STS

2. 20,000+

3. 23+

4. No

5. No

6. No particular reason other than I like the luxury of a large vehicle and feel that the hybrid vehicles at the moment are a fad that need to have many issues worked out.

7. Absolutely not. Too noisey, smelly and troublesome.

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Guest bkazmer

First of all, fuel economy is only one factor in vehicle purchase decisions.

1. 2004 Mazda 3

2. 12-15 k/yr

3. 25 - 30 mpg (depends on city/hwy mix)

4. no

5. no

6. a. poor return on investment (don't compare to a 12 mpg truck, consider vs conventional powertrains and include amortized battery cost). Hybrid fuel savings are much higher in stop and go with regenerative braking than on highway.

b. performance of many is below average

7.possibly (turbo-diesel more likely) - requires cleaner diesel fuel standards and wider fuel availability. Engine response must be similar to gasoline, should be possible with low end torque. Effect of engine weight on handling must be engineered.

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1. What is your current daily driven car?

Year 2000

Make Buick

Model Ultra

2. How many miles do you commute per year?

<5,000

5,000-10,000

10,000-15,000

15,000-20,000 XX

25,000+

3. What MPG do you currently get in your daily driver? 22-25

4. Have you ever owned a hybrid vehicle? NO

5. If you answered NO for question 4, do you plan on purchasing a hybrid in the future? NO WAY

6. If you answered NO for questions 4 and 5, please state the reason.

a. Hybrid gas mileage only works for low speeds, typically mostly city driving (under 30-40 MPH)

b. Hybrid mileage advantage is virtually wiped out while in stop & go traffic (red lights) if you need to run the car's A/C because the gasoline engine must run to turn over the compressor.

c. Cost to repair this new technology when the car is out of warranty is going to be VERRRRRY expensive.

d. Hybrid technology looks as if it may be a stop-gap measure until the manufacturers can get the next generation of technology on the street in 5-10 years. If this develops, the desirability of hybrids, driven by the cost to buy and cost to maintain, will virtually wipe out their resale value.

7. If you answered NO for questions 4 and 5, would you be willing to purchase a diesel with equivalent gas mileage rather than a hybrid?

MAYBE.

Diesel engines and diesel fuels seem to have several significant problems unique to their design and the marketplace.

Diesel fuel will be changing in the near future, with new emissions requirements forcing the reduction or elimination of sulfur and other pollution-generating components. This may cause wide fluctuations in price and availability, similar to those taking place now in markets that must use reformulated gasoline.

Diesel engines can also be very expensive to maintain based upon current designs. Ford, GM and Chrysler all have had problems with previous generations of light-duty pickup truck engines, causing their owners to be saddled with expensive repair costs. If manufacturers can develop very reliable diesels and fix the problems they all seem to encounter from time to time with injectors, injector pumps and other major components, along with tackling the noise and odor problems associated with many diesels, without an extremely high purchase price when compared with gasoline engines, then they would be more attractive to me.

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1. 2005 Toyota Prius.

2. 10-15,000

3. 45 mpg city, 48 mpg highway. (I just discovered this was with badly underinflated tires from the dealer, however.)

4. see above. Owned 11 months, 11,000 miles thus far.

5.

6.

7. When biodiesel is available here I'd consider it.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I actually want gearhead replies, since I am comparing the general population against auto enthusiasts.

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I hope you're making note of how misinformed many of us "gearheads" are, and how much misinformation and fearful recalcitrance is being repeated here.

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Dave, yep, we're gearheads, just not to sure how misinformed.

As far as a Prius working for me. The batteries would probably go dead from lack of use. My wife drives to the market twice a week. The market is 8 blocks from the house. I guess I should unhook the choke, it hardly even goes off. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

Wayne

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Long story short, I'm graduating next month with my MBA.

I'm doing a monster report and presentation on the Hybrid Auto Industry (it was the only way I could do something about cars ).

Please reply to this thread, so I can have all the responses in one place.

Thanks!

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1. What is your current daily driven car?

Year '89

Make Volvo

Model DL

2. How many miles do you commute per year?

<5,000 - less than (another 7,000 miles or so in the wifes '93 Part Ave - much nicer ride!)

5,000-10,000

10,000-15,000

15,000-20,000

25,000+

3. What MPG do you currently get in your daily driver? 23 mpg in town, 29 hwy

4. Have you ever owned a hybrid vehicle? No

5. If you answered NO for question 4, do you plan on purchasing a hybrid in the future? Sometime I am sure it will happen. No plans presently but do plan on being around long enough that the choice will effectively be made for me.

6. If you answered NO for questions 4 and 5, please state the reason.

7. If you answered NO for questions 4 and 5, would you be willing to purchase a diesel with equivalent gas mileage rather than a hybrid? </div></div>

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">(I just discovered this was with badly underinflated tires from the dealer, however.)</div></div> Tsk, tsk. 11 months to check the tires? Cheap shot but could not resist, Dave. smile.gif

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1. Daily driver: 1961 Buick Special 4-dr. sedan; alternating with a 1963 Ford Falcon Squire wagon (drive one this day; the other the next day)

2. 0 miles to commute--I walk to work, but have to use my car every day for trips to post office, bank, grocery, etc. Less than 5000 miles a year.

3. 19-24 mpg

4.Never owned a hybrid

5. Don't plan to get one

6. Too expensive, too small, too difficult to repair, and there is not a single new car made today that interests me. They all look like jelly beans and are too complicated under the hood.

7.Yes, I would buy a diesel. Have owned 3 used, diesel Mercedes-Benzs, and am searching for another 240-D, or 190-D, but it has to be standard shift. The automatics won't get out of their own way unless turbo-charged, and the stick shift ones get better mileage. They get mid- to high 30s in the miles per gallon, and are not too hard to work on. You can find a good one for less than $4000.

Pete Phillips, BCA #7338

Sherman, TX

1949 Super model 59 wagon

1954 Roadmaster model 76-R

1961 Special model 4019 3-speed

1970 Electra conv.

1963 Ford Falcon Squire

1959 Mercury Park Lane 4-dr. ht.

1963 Chrysler New Yorker 4-dr. sedan

1957 Studebaker President 4-dr. sedan

1958 Studebaker Commander 2-dr ht.

1982 Chevrolet 1/2-ton truck

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1. What is your current daily driven car?

Year 1995

Make Buick

Model Riviera

2. How many miles do you commute per year? < 5K

<5,000

5,000-10,000

10,000-15,000

15,000-20,000

25,000+

3. What MPG do you currently get in your daily driver? 25 +

4. Have you ever owned a hybrid vehicle? no

5. If you answered NO for question 4, do you plan on purchasing a hybrid in the future? no

6. If you answered NO for questions 4 and 5, please state the reason. The technology is too varied, raising concerns that future repairs may be very costly.

7. If you answered NO for questions 4 and 5, would you be willing to purchase a diesel with equivalent gas mileage rather than a hybrid? No

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dave, yep, we're gearheads, just not to sure how misinformed. </div></div>

I am.

96roadmaster, sorry my little comment briefly sidetracked your survey.

Gene, I was more than a little embarrassed myself. blush.gif That's what I get for trusting professionals! smirk.gif

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1. What is your current daily driven car?

Year 1976

Make Olds

Model Delta Royale

(this is what I consider a proper size automobile)

2. How many miles do you commute per year?

<5,000

5,000-10,000

10,000-15,000<------

15,000-20,000

25,000+

3. What MPG do you currently get in your daily driver?

12/15

4. Have you ever owned a hybrid vehicle?

No

5. If you answered NO for question 4, do you plan on purchasing a hybrid in the future?

No

6. If you answered NO for questions 4 and 5, please state the reason.

Too small

7. If you answered NO for questions 4 and 5, would you be willing to purchase a diesel with equivalent gas mileage rather than a hybrid?

No

I had a 1980 LeSabre diesel and even the extra required routine maintenance ate up any savings over the similarly powered V6

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1-Current daily driver -- 1977 Camaro Type LT 5.7L V-8 (enhanced) Buicks are awaiting attention . . .

2-Daily miles -- approx 50 miles (to work, home, work, home) daily cummulative yearly miles approx 25K

3-Current average mpg is approx 17mpg needs to be better If I need to go on a trip, I'll usually get a new Buick from the National Car Rental Emerald Aisle Executive Selection at DFW Airport.

4-Owned a hybrid? No

5 & 6-Purchase plans for a hybrid? None

I understand that Toyota's current available (on sale in the USA) technology has been in the home market since the 1997 model year. No battery replacements under warranty, they claim (8 yr warranty). Hybrids of that nature might make sense for the way some owners might drive--and where they drive--but in the driving pattern I do OR are the vehicles of a size I could use for an everyday car to "do everything" in (which the Camaro does not always fit either). I feel that diesel/electric hybrids might be a better long term investment, personally, rather than gasoline.

7-I would not be against owning a diesel car or truck either. I found a neat 2006 MB E-class diesel that gets 37mpg highway and ran approx 140mph in a durability test at a test track near Laredo, TX. Turbo 3.2L inline six, 201 hp, 369 lbs/ft torque, for what it's worth. Window sticker of approx $54K and guaranteed resale value in the future--about $1K less money than a comparable gas model. I would not mind a VW diesel either, or even a Jeep Liberty diesel. Euro diesel techonolgy has far eclipsed what we had over here in the early 1980s! Even some of the Olds 5.7L diesels were much better than generally suspected--I couldn't blow one up in the company pickups I had back then. Granted, power was not great, but once I learned how to "drive" it, it worked pretty well. (Note: "drive" in this case means how much throttle and when, plus using manual upshifts on the freeway on ramps to upshift just before it bumped the governor in the diesel pump. Once I learned those things, I got good performance from it, even with a 2.76 rear axle ratio).

IF I was in a strictly "downtown" environment, I'd probably opt for a Ford Escape hybrid rather than a Honda or Toyota (even if Ford licenses the technology from Toyota). But that's not where I live at the present time, or possibly in the future either.

Whatever I do has to be cost effective. There's still a good bit of use left in the internal combustion gasoline engines that we use every day. Also, whatever I buy will have to be something that I can work on, if need be. "Paid for" and "less expensive to insure with full coverages" are considerations also! The trusty Camaro now has 655k miles on it, so loooonnngggg term durability and replacement parts are also important. Short term and immediate future "finances" dictate that I make better use of what I have than to purchase a new vehicle, but I can afford a weekend rental when I need one.

I concur that the results you might get here would be different than another particular "population", so you might preface your results with that notation.

Enjoy!

NTX5467

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Guest sintid58

1. Wife's

1995 1997

Buick Buick

Skylark Park Avenue

2.

8500 7500

3.

26 24

4.

No NO

5.

No No

6.

Cost does not justify the savings or results.

7.

Yes I would love to find an inexpensive Diesel car

that got good mileage.

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You did not ask if those of us that had to comute would ride mass transit. I for one would be on the bus every day that I could if they had such a thing on the prairie here in South Dakota. Not saying that Sioux Falls does not have buses but not to where I live.

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1. What is your current daily driven car?

Year 1965

Make Buick

Model Wildcat

2. How many miles do you commute per year?

5,000-10,000 (with this car)

3. What MPG do you currently get in your daily driver?

12 average

4. Have you ever owned a hybrid vehicle?

No

5. If you answered NO for question 4, do you plan on purchasing a hybrid in the future?

No

6. If you answered NO for questions 4 and 5, please state the reason.

I don't plan purchasing another car manufactured after 1976...

7. If you answered NO for questions 4 and 5, would you be willing to purchase a diesel with equivalent gas mileage rather than a hybrid?

Certainly not!

I hate Diesels, my parents had that since I was 3 years old... (and they still do). This is why I like full size Buicks!

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96-

Not sure if you saw this. Thought it may be of interest to you.

This was in www.thecarconnection.com (april 3, 2006):

Hybrids Lose Lifetime Energy Battle, Study Says

Hybrid advocates trumpet the environmental benefits of the gas-electric vehicles. But a new study says that the overall energy picture for hybrid vehicles isn't as favorable as it seems. CNW Marketing Research, of Bandon, Ore., says that when the total cost of hybrids to the environment is calculated, including factors like recycling batteries into a "dollars per lifetime mile" figure, hybrids come up short against gas-powered vehicles. CNW's energy cost per mile driven figured that the most "energy expensive" vehicle from 2005 is the Maybach at $11.58 per mile, while the Scion xB checks in at the bottom of the scale, at $0.48 a mile. Some hybrids, like the Honda Accord Hybrid, actually get higher lifetime costs than their gas counterparts: the Hybrid Accord has an energy cost per mile of $3.29 while the gas version's is $2.18. CNW accounts for the differences by citing the investments in lightweight materials along with the cost of recycling batteries. The auto industry as a whole, CNW says, has an average dollar per lifetime mile of $2.28; GM's HUMMER H3's figure was $1.949 per mile, lower than the Honda Civic at $2.42 a mile. "If a consumer is concerned about fuel economy because of family budgets or depleting oil supplies, it is perfectly logical to consider buying high-fuel-economy vehicles," says Art Spinella, president of CNW Marketing Research, Inc. "But if the concern is the broader issues such as environmental impact of energy usage, some high-mileage vehicles actually cost society more than conventional or even larger models over their lifetime."

Good luck with the MBA. I did mine 10 years ago this yr on product liability in the automotive industry and just compensation/remedies.

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1. What is your current daily driven car?

Year 2000

Make Ford

Model Explorer

2. How many miles do you commute per year?

25,000+

3. What MPG do you currently get in your daily driver?

Never calculated it but 17 was advertised when new.

4. Have you ever owned a hybrid vehicle?

No

5. If you answered NO for question 4, do you plan on purchasing a hybrid in the future?

No

6. If you answered NO for questions 4 and 5, please state the reason.

They look like crap and I can't fiddle with stuff under the hood.

7. If you answered NO for questions 4 and 5, would you be willing to purchase a diesel with equivalent gas mileage rather than a hybrid?

Yes

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1. Current Daily Driver: 2003 Oldsmobile Alero

2. Mileage per year: Approximately 16000

3. Miles per Gallon: 21 City, 25 highway

4. Do I own a hybrid?: No

5. Would I consider a hybrid in the future: Yes, most definitely, especially for my wife who drives the expressways of Chicago each day.

6.

7.

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