Broken Hearted

[Guest Rojo22]

Well we had an Orphan show in Atlanta this weekend, and I had tried like the devil to get the car ready for the show, but Friday night she decided not to start or run. New battery, new cables, starter works, car starts with starter fluid or gas poured into the carb, but wont run. I am pretty sure its a fuel delivery issue. Well other than really being disappointed in not getting the car to the show, The weekend was ok.

I need some help with how to proceed. The gas tank was examined and it was given a clean bill of health. Remember I am not a mechanic, nor do I play one on TV. Should I start from the carb end and work back or the other direction? Any know problems that would be a no brainer, but for an inexperienced person would not be so obvious? Any "dont do this" stuff is highly appreciated as well. Remeber I got thick skin, so you wont hurt my feelings doling out the advice....Any help is appreciated.

[Mr.Pushbutton]

The fuel pump kits can be obtained from "the antique auto parts cellar" (they advertise in Hemmings), you may need the specific Carter model # of the pump for them to complete your order. I once had your exact problem. I removed the fuel pump, disassembled it and found the "inlet" chamber FILLED with tinny rust flakes so as to look like a coffee maker's ground basket. I removed the tank, had it stripped and coated. One safe way to prime a dry carb (like when starting after winter storage) is to get a plastic bottle with a pointed tip (like a ketchup serving squeeze bottle restaurants use) and use the tip to pour gas directly into the bowl vent tube, filling the (dry) bowl until it is full. When it is full, let that small amount of gas that spills over into the (primary side--if 4-bbl) be your "starting charge" to kick the engine into action. The amount in the full bowl should be enough to run the engine so that it can prime the pump and feed itself. If it runs for a few seconds and still conks, you might have to address fuel delivery issues. I learned this method in the Museum/collection I worked at for 13 years (150 cars) and continue to use it at my new job (250 car collection) and we have always found it safer than pouring gas from a 1 gal. can down the throat, and better for the engine than starting either. Don't like to use either when the problem is lack of GAS in the carb.

[52deluxe]

i bought a fuel pump kit a while back from jacksons old time parts they asked for the number off the pump as expected and said delivery would be 5-7 days. i had the kit 2 days later <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> and it includded everything inside the pump "dual action pump." i found the staff to be friendly and knew their stuff, no waiting on hold why they figure out who built packard. i plan on buying from them next time i need something and recomend them to friends.

tom

[Guest imported_MrEarl]

Sorry to hear about your encounter with ol Murphy, I know you were looking forward to the show. Sounds like these guys have got you on the right track though. I like this forum just for that reason. It's always my first stop after the BCA.

Do you have an inline fuel filter. I try and keep one between the tank and the pump.If the car has sat for long it may be tank debri. If so and you need to reline your tank , holler, I can tell ya all about that. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

[Guest Rojo22]

I will be spending quality time looking at each and every suggestion over the next two weekends. I once again want to thank everyone for your information. I am very grateful that you take the time to share your wisdom...

[Guest Rojo22]

MrEarl

I still have not gained access to the 40+ cars that I was told about. I have been chomping at the bit to get there, but the guy keeps getting so busy, he cannot take me. I am hoping that in the next few weeks, I will be able to report something.....

[Guest Randy Berger]

Brian, In general I agree that questions should be asked/answered on the forum but I emailed Frank a picture and text out of the shop manual to respond to his governor/yellow wire question, but only because posting pictures here is difficult. I have to keep reducing pixel resolution to get something to fit under the MB ceiling. As it was, it was just a picture he somehow missed. But you are correct about posting/responding here as everyone benefits. As an add-on, when someone resolves a problem I hope they all publish the result as 55Connie did with the fuel filter.

YFAM, Randy Berger

[Guest imported_Speedster]

Yes, having to Reduce Pictures to the size of a Peanut, is still my main complaint with this forum. Pictures are Very important when explaining technical information. Which is one of the main things this forum is used for.

[Twitch]

I've seen some incredibly detailed responses to people looking for help on here. That's cool. There are folks who have probably had hands on experience with a subject problem another is querrying about. Once posted it is accessable to someone needing assistance and that is just super.

Part of the reason I chose to buy a Packard was the fact that this forum exists. I looked around on the web before I bought my car both for parts sourcees and forum support, as it were. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

[Guest BigKev]

Yeah the size limit on the pics is a real pain. But one of the things you can do is get one of those free websites (freespace, homestead, etc), and upload the picture there, and then just add the IMG link to it in the post. Then there is no size restriction as its not stored on the forums server, and the picture just shows up when people read the post.

[Guest imported_Speedster]

Yes, Kev, I understand that, but we shouldn't have to go through all that. We Should be able to Attach descent sized pictures to our post. Up loading pictures to some other server somewhere, that can be deleted or path changed, at some future time, will make the picture no longer available to that thread. An attached picture always stays with that post entry.

I was trying to add some info, with picture, to the '55-'56 Xref thread, but got so frustrated with reduced quality of the picture, I just gave up and deleted it.

[Guest imported_Speedster]

Brian,

I tryed the Photo-Post (never tryed it before) and I think I uploaded a picture (not too hard to do) but That was about 30 min. ago and it's still not showing up? Do pictures have to be approved by someone, before they post them? If so, do you know how long that takes?

[WCraigH]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I tryed the Photo-Post (never tryed it before) and I think I uploaded a picture (not too hard to do) but That was about 30 min. ago and it's still not showing up? Do pictures have to be approved by someone, before they post them? (snip)</div></div>

As I've offered before, if you email the pic(s) to me, I'll upload them to my Panther website and send you back the URL link. [color:"red"] BUT, I'm not always at my computer (gotta work on cars occasionally <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />), so the turn around might be a few hours.

This "service" is for those pics which require extra size/detail and the "normal" sources are insufficient. There's no extra cost incurred to me, so don't worry about that aspect.

[Guest imported_Speedster]

Well, it's been hours now and the picture is still Not showing up in Photo-Post area, So it looks like that is Useless for linking to text post.

Thanks, Craig, But I have a website I could upload to. I'm trying to find a fast, easy, efficient way to do it, like Attachments 'Should' Be, Except for the size limitation. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

But, it looks like it's either more time and effort for large pictures or accept 'Peanut' size attachments. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

[Guest Rojo22]

Most of the time the size thing can be traced back to the format with which the picture has been saved. Try to use a JPEG format as this will allow the picture to be bigger, because it takes less space. If you are saving a file in a larger format, like a TIFF file, convert it over and you will be amazed at the difference.

I normally take a high quality picture with the camera, and when posting, save it to the JPEG format in order to get the size bigger. If I posted it in its original format, it would be the peanut size that you are talking about. Hope that helps some.

[Guest Randy Berger]

I always use jpeg format. Still have to reduce pics to attach them here and sometimes lose detail that makes pic useless. I'm not complaining (too much) about it - just stating a fact. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

YFAM, Randy Berger

[Guest imported_Speedster]

Yes, I always use .jpg format.