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Must be a Marmon thing - Years ago at Hershey I saw a 1920(?) vintage Marmon with a sign that said, "I'm old and I like people, Please Touch Me". People would walk up to the car and gently touch it. Sally and I both have Marmons with rumbleseats. If you see us on a tour or meet and want to ride that RS, just tell us and we'll give you the chance.

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Just a warning on Ron's rumble seat offer. I've seen him drive an all terrain vehicle! <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> He practises a lot! <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Wayne

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I wonder if the signs really help prevent people from touching (in a bad way) our cars? I think someone who is ignorant enough to open hoods/doors or prop their foot on a fender will likely not notice or care about a sign stuck under the wiper. crazy.gif

I own collector cars, yet I have to say that a DON'T TOUCH sign even to me is kind of a negative. It may help people feel that old car owners are snobbish and feel they are better because they don't want the peasants fondling their cars (not that most would).

I think a better sign could be made, maybe something with a bit of humor as mentioned above. "I've spent 5000 hours restoring this car; please be careful around it" might be more effective. confused.gif

I may make one for the Mini, since it attracts so much attention: "Yes, ask me about getting a ride in this car!" grin.gif

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Wayne, Thanks for the warning on the rumble seat ride. We see Ron at the shows and might take him up on the offer. We'll make sure to bring our helmets. grin.gif

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I like your idea of placing the 5000 hour type of sign however in my experiences many times its younger kids who don't even see the signs or their parents who many don't really care. I have never placed a sign and have seen it all from kids hanging on my Amphicar's propellers while the parents laughed and took pictures, to kids placed in a $130,000 vehicle by their parents who then jumped up and down on the seats and proceeded to turn and twist all the knobs on the dashboard.

Every situation and show is different. Signs won't stop the destruction so you better keep an eye on your property. And I to give many rides in all of my vehicles, just last month I let a fellow member take his son out for a swim (without me) in the Amphicar. Have also loaned out a vehicle for display for weeks or months for good causes and to promote the hobby.

Most non antique car people just don't realize the time and money that this hobby requires hence their misunderstanding of the care that needs taken around them.

Commonsense is uncommon.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Most non antique car people just don't realize the time and money that this hobby requires hence their misunderstanding of the care that needs taken around them.

Commonsense is uncommon. </div></div>

You're right Ron. I couln't have said it better. That's why I like going to the national meets over the local shows. You don't see as much of "the good old boy network" in terms of judging, and the spectators tend to show a little more respect towards the cars. Although the crowds were light at the AGNM in Buffalo last summer, I can say that inconsiderate spectators wasn't a problem at all. Besides, most people that take a car to or visit Hershey, have all walked the flea market fields for days and know what it takes to find the parts to put the cars together, and either know the work that the restorations involved, and/or know what kind of money it takes to restore a car.

Matt, if you really want to ride in a rumble seat, I will say that although it is a neat ride for a short distance, they're not all they're cracked up to be. I'm between 6'00 - 6'01, and at my size our rumble seat isn't comfortable. If you are as big as I am, or bigger, and the rumble seat is anywhere near the size of our '29 Whippet, there isn't much for leg room, and they're not comfortable. I don't think the rumble seats were ever built for an adult. If they were, they weren't developed for comfort at all. For a little kid or a vertically impaired person (polical correct term for "shorter" person), that's a different story, and the rumble seats are fun.

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On the other side of the coin regarding the light spectator attendance at the AGNM. It seems a shame when these beautiful vehicles get together and the event isn't advertised at the local level. Having spoke to one of the club members he stated that they decided not to invite the public so no problems would occur. This is not good for the hobby in my opinion.

If we the vehicle owners are worried about damage at a show / event then we need be responsible and keep an eye on our property. I have left a car for a minute and returned to find someone using my trunk lid as a backing for writing out a check. I asked him (nicely) what he was doing and he looked at me like he was doing nothing wrong.

Little warning signs won't cut it no matter how they are worded.

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At one of our local shows one of our own club members, a guy that owns several restored MGs, was talking to a non-car club friend of his and they were both leaning on our 1958 Chevy Biscayne, our first antique car. The first time I very politely asked them to not lean on the car. He stated that they weren't harming it. The next time I told them it was my car and that I had been polite the first time and that they were to get their ***** off of my car and get away from it. I should not have had "to go there" but he forced me into it.

I got a couple dirty looks from him and his friend but they moved. I would have thought he of all people would not do that, but he did.

So there is ignorance even in our own hobby.

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About 5 years ago I went to a outdoor barbeque and drove my 72 Corvette. Went inside to BS and came out to find my car missing. Seems a few acquaintances of mine decided to take the Corvette out for a 45 minute spin, which I probably would have let them but it sure would have been nice to be asked.

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Well there is always the "hook the coil to the body" trick from the Model T and A days. But with my luck the guy touching my car would have a pacemaker and it would get "fried" and I'd make the evening news. So I'll stick with signs and staying close to the car while it's on display is best way to protect it from the "touchies".

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Ed

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A friend of ours has a squirter hooked up to his Model T and he can squirt people that get too close. smirk.gif Mostly he uses it in parades to squirt kids who think it is very funny. grin.gif

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That takes some guts to go for a spin with someone's car without saying something. They're lucky you didn't report the car stolen. That little 45 minute trip could've cost them a couple of years.

As for the AGNM, I had mixed feelings about it. The show wasn't promoted in a manner to generate interest, or promote AACA, but on the same token, it was a nice quiet relaxing show that didn't have spectators doing dumb things with the cars in the show.

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From a judging perspective, it would be nice to be able to judge the cars without spectators, then let them in when the judging is done. I can't tell you the times I have had to ask spectators to please step out of the way so that we can judge the car.

Judging would go faster if we did not have to deal with the herds of people around some of the cars.

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You are totally correct. That is where it happens the most. And I do feel sorry for the people that want to talk to the owner, admire the car and take photos. But we are not there that long that they shouldn't be respectful of what we are doing also. Most of them did not travel near as far to that show as the judges, administrative folks and meet support staff did.

And it would sure be easier to keep an eye out for people trying to read score sheets and listen in if there were less people milling around while cars are being judged.

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I would love a ride in a rumble seat. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO GO AROUND IN A PARKING LOT because I am 5'10" and 240 lbs. I never got the chance as a kid,would just be fun to have a photo and to say that I have.

I am only 39 years old and it upsets me alot to read some of these stories that you guys have posted. It is so sad that parents will let their kids act like that and to not care about it is unreal!!!!! I hate the thought that those young people are going to be taking care of me when I'm old. I would have never seen adulthood if I would have acted like that,my parents would have seen to that.

thanks,

matt

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You're right Matt, it is sad that the parents are the way they are now. I know in my case, if I'd have acted the way the kids do now, I wouldn't have lived to become an adult. The sad part is, my stepson is almost 20 years old, he'd fit right into the catagory of the kids that we're talking about, but with my wife, he can do no wrong, and in my case blood is thicker than water. So to avoid fighting with my wife, I steer clear of him, and he knows his boundaries with me. Maybe someday he'll wake up, but if he doesn't, that'll be his mother's problem.

As for the rumble seat. Hopefully after the fire truck is done, we're going to pull the Whippet out, detail the engine compartment better, and try to get it to run without the aid of an electric fuel pump. Once we do, we'll be going for awards with the car, and maybe I can help you out.

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Since I met your mom and dad before I ever met you I know why you turned out to be the nice guy that you are. They are a class act from the word go.

What amazes me is that so many of today's parents are such nice people themselves, but their kids are heathens, and they are fine with it. I think too many parents are scared their kids will hate them.

Years ago Ann Landers wrote something in her column that is very true. "Sometimes you have to love your kids enough to let them hate you." I have two step-kids and while my step-son and I had only very minor disagreements, my step-daughter and I went toe-to-toe on more than one occasion. I laid down the law that she was NOT going to run over me or her father and that she did not have to come to our house. For awhile she chose not to. Then she figured out what all she was missing out on, like a vacation, and decided it was better to come into line at our house than buck the rules and be alone at her house with her mom off running with her married boyfriend and her brother with us.

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Yep I can relate very much. My step-son can play my wife like a cheap violin, yet his father has gone as far as to threaten him with a gun, yet I never laid a hand on him, gave him a few simple rules to follow, and I'm the villain. My step son has the same problem that a lot of kids have today... He doesn't have any regard for people, or for the things that they worked hard for.

As in a lot of the younger ones, I'm afraid that the "kindler and friendlier" way of life is not going to help the younger folks, it's going to hurt them.......especially on the battlefield for those that join the Armed Forces.

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