Bryan 1960 Windsor Posted April 7, 2004 Share Posted April 7, 2004 Hello, I've got a wonderful pristine 1960 Chrysler Windsor, and already have alot of information and paperwork history. I am in the process of gathering more from the original owner family.My question is this...Should the original documentation be kept with the car during showing, and if so, how do judges typically like this information to be presented? Should this be laminated page by page and placed in a chronological notebook binder for referrence? Should paperwork be left original, unlaminated? Should I omit actual paperwork, and only include listings (ie...on information board) of paperwork that I have on the car? I am just now gearing up to show this car, and would like to be prepared when the judges come around.Thank you for your time, you can email me at oquinn@indyweek.com Thanks! Bryan O'Quinn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted April 7, 2004 Share Posted April 7, 2004 Bryan,I had my car at the Fall Hershey meet and asked the head judge of my class if he wanted to see the paper work on the car, and he said only if there is a question on the options/features etc. Example: He asked if my car had halagen lights and I said no, but if I had said yes I would have had to produce documentation backing up my statement. Don't ever leave originals laying around, only copies.Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest greg72monte Posted April 7, 2004 Share Posted April 7, 2004 Bryan,What a gem of a find you have there. Good luck with it.Are you going for class judging or HPOF?What meets are you planning on attending this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveBerg Posted April 7, 2004 Share Posted April 7, 2004 Hi Bryan. Thats a very good question and often an issue of confusion so I am really glad you asked it. The answer is....It doesnt matter! As long as its FACTORY DOCUMENTATION all you need do is have it available in the event the Team Captain asks for it for a particular issue. It does NOT need to be displayed with the car. The typical scenario goes something like this.... The field judge sees what he/she believes to be an authenticity issue. They go to the Team Captain who comes to you and says..."Hi, I am Ajax the Judge, team captain for your judging team and our interior judge has raised the question of your ......" "Could you please show us your documentation." Or something to that effect. If the judges dont ask for it then they simply didnt need it. Now it can never hurt for you, at the start of the judging of your vehicle to simply tell the Team Captain that you do have documentation for the vehicle if needed. Hope this helps you out some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan 1960 Windsor Posted April 8, 2004 Author Share Posted April 8, 2004 Thanks so much for the info, great to know, and lots more to think about and gather. Thanks for the quick reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan 1960 Windsor Posted April 8, 2004 Author Share Posted April 8, 2004 Gregory, thanks for the info, is good to know. I'm thinking more of HPOF. That Monte Carlo sounds great. Pearl, the Windsor, as I call her, currently has less than 23,000 miles on her, and i'm wanting to preserve her in her current condition as long as is possible. I've been rather frustrated at the lack of information on the web on resources for vehicle preservation. I find literally hundreds of restoration sites, but virtually nothing on preservation. That's why I'm thinking more towards HPOF...to gain more information on preservation through networking with others and their actual experience.Thanks for your quick response,Not sure of which events attending this year. Am short on vacation time, and not wanting to drive her too far to a meet before a car trailer comes into the picture. Until then, she sleeps alot in a dark dry garage :-) Anyone know the formula for the perfect humidity to preserve an original interior? Thanks,Bryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan 1960 Windsor Posted April 8, 2004 Author Share Posted April 8, 2004 Thanks, Jeff, I'm gonna get a build sheet from Chrysler Archives before too long. Will keep all close by.-Bryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RVAnderson Posted June 14, 2004 Share Posted June 14, 2004 If factory documentation is unavailable (due to the age of the car, not because the equipment isn't truly correct) are published secondary sources allowable? Or is it up to the individual chief judge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronbarn Posted June 14, 2004 Share Posted June 14, 2004 According to the judging guidelines and what is taught in the school, so-called secondary publications, i.e. magazine articles, non-factory books, etc. are not acceptable, however, this may depend on the judgement of the Team Captain. Should this become a problem there is an alternative. If an owner can very confidently "prove" an authenticy question to the VP Technical Matters and the VP Class Judging, it is possible that they can issue a Certificate of Authenticity for specific feasures. These certificates are acceptable in lieu of factory documentation, however there must be very convincing proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RVAnderson Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 OK; how about factory information reprinted in a secondary source, i.e. serial numbers lists, records of production/changes, etc.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunbar53 Posted September 16, 2004 Share Posted September 16, 2004 Although factory documentation is the definitive answer to most questions of authenticity, there are times when a field judge will want *something* to back up his decisions. After questioning the team captain, it is possible that secondary documentation will make a field judge more comfortable about his decision. More like a case of "I thought this was correct, but just wanted to be sure." If you have what you consider to be a copy of an informative magazine article with you, it can't hurt to show it, if there is a question. That way the team captain can make his decision more intelligently. Just my 2¢ worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 16, 2004 Share Posted September 16, 2004 Unfortunately, the accuracy of magazine articles is sometimes worth no more than the paper on which it is printed. And an artist's rendering of a vehicle is worthless as documentation. They frequently make the vehicle look like they want it to look.Photographs may be of vehicles which have been altered. Look in some of the books which give detailed history of a single make, like Buick. There will be pictures of certain models which were obviously taken recently in someone's driveway or at a car show. The cars often are quite incorrect but were probably the only example of a particular model that the author could find.ONLY FACTORY DOCUMENTATION IS VALID FOR JUDGING. Opinion and magazine articles, while interesting, carry no weight.hvs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RVAnderson Posted September 30, 2004 Share Posted September 30, 2004 HVS, I don't mean a run-of-the-mill magazine article aimed at the general public but rather scholarly reference works which reprint, summarize, or quote the factory sources. What about those? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Moskowitz Posted September 30, 2004 Share Posted September 30, 2004 They could help if there is some serious concern over authenticity but factory documentation is by far the best. In some cases, non-factory information is all that there is...go for it! If the information is from Motor Trend or Motor Ager, etc. and not Mad Magazine a judge may believe it! <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 2, 2004 Share Posted October 2, 2004 Been away on the Glidden Tour and just read your question. I think Steve answered it quite thoroughly, and I have nothing to add. hvs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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