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You want action? AACA has a number of tours each year. These tours are not sitting around in your lawn chairs - - -they are a driving event with no judging. Try the chalange of driving a pre 1927 vehicle five hundred miles or more with out mechanical problems. The tours I have been on have had a number of the younger folks on them. Another thing, Team Hudson is probably one of the better navigators around.

Dan

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I am 38 years old and have recently become an active "old car" buff. I have a 1992 Chandler Royal Dispatch (from my grandfathers collection) and am thinking of acquiring a 1910 Metz or possilby a 1907 Franklin Barrel hood as well. In the family we have a 1902 curved dash Olds and a 1928 Ford A Phaeton.

The problem is I really hate what cars have done to our society. They basically suck. They have destroyed our society (sprawl, pollution, etc.)

I love the old cars though and am having a hard time with the thought of collecting cars.

My daily drivers include Volkswagon TDI's that run on BioDiesel and vegetable oil www.biodiesel.org

Say NO to the devils tea and get rid of your gassers! Burn the Bean!!!!!!

My grandfather had some great cars and even owned the only Adams Farwell at one point, among many other significant cars.

I really hate the modern car industry and the conservative repulican PIGS that now "run" our country. The oil industry sucks and is repsonsible for our military presence in the oil producing nations, etc.

We need alternative fuels and to cut our dependance on foreign oil, continued groundwater contamination and huge bloated military budget required to "maintain" oil production and our dependance on oil.

Gas needs to reflect the TRUE cost per gallon (miltary and pollution costs) and needs to be at least 5$ per gallon.

Hard things to reconcile when collecting old cars. confused.gif

My two cents worth.

Peter

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Dear PWN,You have recently become an old car buff?What exactly does that mean?Gramps LEFT you his pride and joy!BOY i would HATE to be forced into starting a car collection.Sounds like you despise ANYTHING with an internal combustion engine.As for your comment about cars sucking,COULDN't run if they didn't.In regards to burning the BEAN,i had some bean burritos last night,thought i smelled something BURNING.You speak of 5.00 a gallon gas and bean power,with these two on the horizon i might as well raise the white flag and turn my Zephyr into a planter.I cannot imagine where this country would be without Mr.Henry Ford.Now if you will excuse me i have to go to the stables to brush the polo ponies.diz blush.gifblush.gifblush.gifblush.gifblush.gifblush.gifblush.gifblush.gifblush.gifblush.gifblush.gifblush.gifblush.gifblush.gifblush.gifblush.gifblush.gifblush.giftongue.gif

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I have always LOVED the old cars. I have worked with my Grandfather on the cars since I was old enough to walk. The Chandler was sold by my Grandfather in 1922 new (the year he was married)in Wauchula Florida, and bought back by him in the 1950's for a ground up restoration. It was featured in a 1963 (June?) AA magazine.

Don't get me wrong - I was not forced into the "business" so to speak.

My Grandfather passed away in the early 1980's and my Grandmother kept the cars until she passed away and an uncle, despite objections by all, sold the entire collection. I was fortunate enought to buy the Chandler, as the fellow that bought the colletion realized the story, knew my Grandfather and was happy for me to keep the car in the family.

I just think that cars have really screwed the American society and environment. I am a Botanist/Plant Ecologist and value the environment, clean air and water, etc. more than anything. Cars and the demise of public transpo (trains, etc.) have really screwed us as far as sprawl, etc.

Cars known by me to have been in my Grandfathers collection at one time include. 1903 Ford A (oldest Ford in FL), several T's 1913,1914, 1907 Barrel Hooded Franklin roadster (although I do not think they had a roadster - just a cut down 7 passenger touring sedan, 1926 Franklin Boattail Speedster, 1914 Caddilac, 1910 Metz, early 1920 Rolls, 1905 Queen (what a beauty), and the car I own and my brother 2 cars (Ford Phaeton and 02 Olds).

We are currently going through LOTS of old pics etc. He owned several dealerships in Wauchula and sold Overland/Willys, and some other brands. He also owned many cars that he sold and traded.

The Adams Farwell was the one he let slip away (did pay for my moms, aunts and uncles college though). Rotary engine, rear drive, fuel injection, front and rear interchangeable controls. Really ahead of its time.

I have a bunch of old stuff related to the old car industry. A letter dated 1920, from the sales manager of the Chandler Co, urging my Grandfather to encourage local bankers to finance "pleasure" cars as they are no longer for pleasure but a requirement of the modern age (1920 heh heh). Even goes as far to say that cars supplement the health and well being of man. Great old letter on Chandler letter head.

I LOVE THE HISTORY and TECHNOLOGY of old cars - just feel that we have lost site of the forest for the trees with the modern SUV gas guzzlers, Ford Excursions, etc. I truly beleive that the car has contributed greatly to loss of quality of life as much as it has contributed to the gain in quality.

I believe Europeans have a better handle on modern transportation and "quality" of life. They also have a true appreciation of old cars and there history.

I believe that the true cost of GAS is important to pay for. As a result our military expansion to ensure foreign oil and pollution problems would be greatly reduced. NOT TO MENTION the fact that alternative fuel costs, when compared to the true cost of gas, would benefit greatly and become much more widely used.

That is why I drive VW TDI's that run on clean renewable and American produced BIODIESEL. Check out www.biodieselnow.com www.greasecar.com www.tdiclub.com

I can run my 5 passenger 1996 Passat station wagon on a 55 gallon drum of biodiesel for 1.5 months at over 40 mpg in the city. My wife drives a Jetta TDI and my daugher a 96 Passat sedan TDI. Diesels RULE.

OK what would you do as far as the brass era car. 07 Frankling "roadster", 1914 T, or 1910 air cooled friction drive Metz??????????????????????

The Chandler is a beaut - how do you post pics?

I am a member of the Chandler/Cleveland Club but not AACA, yet.

Peter

Not meaning to offend anyone - just two cent on WHY I have been hesitant to completely embrace the old gas guzzlers.

Anyone know what the first diesel passenger cars were? I could go that route, burn the biodiesel and be TRULY HAPPY and GREEN. grin.gif

PS - My wife and I are REALLY looking forward to getting the Chandler in condition to TOUR. Afraid a connecting rod babbit is bad as well as water pump. My barn will be finished in weeks then the car can be diagnosed and fixed. We plan on aquireing 1920's period gear (clothing, etc.) and really doing it up. Some local Bed-n-Breafasts have expressed interest in using us to chaufer folks around in (wedding parties, anniversaries and the like) and we are really excited abouted getting the car on the road again. 1922 with less than 9,000 miles total. Hope the rod just needs some shims removed and not anything more serious.

I also badly need a Bosh American starter #901 and some other odds and ends - manual, etc.

NO TRAILER QUEEN HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> You want action? AACA has a number of tours each year. These tours are not sitting around in your lawn chairs - - -they are a driving event with no judging. Try the chalange of driving a pre 1927 vehicle five hundred miles or more with out mechanical problems. The tours I have been on have had a number of the younger folks on them. </div></div>

I think even the most jaded car fan would agree with Dan. My point was that the problem is that not everyone who has an afternnon to spend running around cones at the airpost parking lot or doing 1/4 mile runs has the time to drive 500 miles at 30 mph. If the AACA wants ti involve more poeple who still work 48 hours a week to keep their teenagers in in <span style="font-style: italic">Gecko Wear</span>, let alone the teenagers, they're going to HAVE to do that on the local level. Say 50 miles at a time.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The problem is I really hate what cars have done to our society. They basically suck. They have destroyed our society (sprawl, pollution, etc.) </div></div>

Peter,

I am literally the resident environmentalist here on the forum. And yes you're right, the <span style="font-style: italic">abuse</span> of our automotive inventions have become ruinous to the earth. Global warming <span style="font-style: italic">(Bush fans can plug their ears until the next sentence here, remember--SCIENCE DOESN'T EXIST!)</span> <span style="font-weight: bold">alone</span> has been conclusively proven to have resulted in the total loss/death of nearly 1/3 of the world's coral reefs <span style="font-weight: bold">so far!</span> And that's to say nothing of the incidence of lung disease in L.A., etc.

However, to ignore the benefits of transportation freedom that the invention of the car has bestowed on us (which you must do to say that it "destroyed our society") is foolish. I've yet to claw my way above the U.S. median household income, as in fact most have yet to do (hence the term). Never the less, I've seen the Hamptons, the redwoods, both oceans, Malibu and Deal (NJ) beaches, palmtrees, snow in July, Niagara and Yosemite Falls, and more than a few fancy ballrooms and mountain log cabins. If I were below the median income in a country without such open access to transportation, I'd only be able to see what the owners of the railroad companies wanted me to be able to see.

Also, time will heal the ignorance of society's current adoration of vehicular gluttony. Yesterday I got my first good look at the new 2004 Toyota Prius. Not much to look at for styling, but <span style="font-weight: bold">WOW!!!!</span> dazzler.gifdrooling.gif As soon as all the Trailblazer/Explorer fans realize that at 60 mpg it is <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold">MORE</span></span> comfortable and <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">BIGGER</span></span> inside than their 16 mpg compact station wagons, those wasteful busses will go away (even if they use the same technology to eventually squeeze 20-25 mpg out of SUVs--which is all that's technically possible for heavy, high rolling resistance trucks).

Just wait for the resale values to plummet.

Soon! smile.gif

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I know that Cummins put the first or one of the first display deisel engines into a 1935/6 Auburn automobile. This was in MoTor magazine somewhere around 1937/38. I at one time had a large collection of MoTor magazines which I donated to the AACA Library & Research Center. That was in 1985, so I'm answering your question on shakey memory. Explain one thing to me, please, that I've never understood? How is it that all of the black smoke coming from a deisel engine does not pollute? It must be true since the government doesn't worry over deisel engines as they do gasoline engines. But it all looks the same to my eyes.

The AACA Club here in Sebring (Florida) is making a strong effort to improve its size and activities and will be making a strong effort to be a fun club in this area. I can easily give you an AACA application and get you a local Region application if you are interested. Wachula is just over the hill (what hill laugh.gif ) from Sebring you know.

Try not to paint the old car with the same broad brush you use on the new cars. As for SUV's, they are bought for a lot of strange purposes I don't understand, but I do like them as a tow car for a big trailer. As for "trailer queen", there are some trailers used for short distances no doubt, but for long distances to National Meets and Tours, it is only the very occasional person who can do it without a trailer. We did meet a gentleman in Huntsville, AL on the Glidden Tour this year, driving a 1910 Rambler, that drove it, using back roads, all the way from Michigan or Indiana, but it's not an easy thing to do.

Thanks for your comments. Some of us with white hair (I resemble that remark tongue.gif )need to understand that it is a different world today and we have to look at all views.

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As far as modern diesel technology goes - they black smoke you see is NOT IT. wink.gif

The TDI's (Turbo Direct Injection) uses a technology vastly different that the old Mercedes diesels, offroad earth movers and semis.

The use of BIODIESEL (derived from waste vegetable oil, or virgin oils as a by product of - say the soy protein industry) reduces CO2 exhaust by nearly 100%, sulfur emissions by up to 80% (however there can be a slight change or no chance in N emissions). The dangerous unburned hydrocarbons (polycyclics, and many others) are reduced as well. Burning the BioD can reduce overal harmfull emissions by up to 80% in comparison to a GAS engine.

The intercooled turbos produce LOTS of driveable torque (no reduction in drivability) and get upwards of 40 mpg city and 50 highway. A biodiesel burning TDI is MUCH greener than a hybrid with better towing power, no toxic batteries and superior drivability.

For more info please check out www.tdiclub.com and www.biodiesel.org for FAQ's and loads of very cool info.

Downsides to BioD include availability, cost (approx 2$ per gallon) and ?????

I guess my trailer queen reference is to cars that NEVER are really driven (reference a fella on this forum that posted something about not wanting to unload a 1960 muscle car in a dirt field) and are scared to hit a grain of sand.

I understand the need to trailer distances very much.

Any input as to the 07 Franklin, 10 Metz or 14 T. I really would like to add one brass era car from my Grandfathers collection. I am leaning towards the Metz ($ and small size) and the fact that it appears the Franklin "roadster" may be a cut down passenger sedan.

OOOpppps do not want to derail the thread.

Younger folks I beleive are inhibited by "percieved" high cost, lack of knowledge and MOST IMPORTANTLY lack of exposure to the grand ole vehicles of a "better time".

Cheers,

Peter

PS - My Grandparents and Mom are from Wauchula (dad from Nocatee); however, I was born and raised and still reside in Gainesville. I am interested in the club for sure and am planning on joining.

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AACA really has something for almost everybody; whether you like to tour, or display high quality show cars in competition, or show an old original, unmolested car, or a car done to a degree limited by the owners personal taste (we call that a "driver" which isn't to imply that you can't drive a high quality show car as I often have), or whether you just like to read books or stand around and kick tires with another old car person.

You say that some make the statement that they don't see what the value in joining a Club is? Well, think about it. Had there not been for an AACA back in the 1940s and 1950s and 1960s this link wouldn't be here; the hobby might never have progressed as it did over the last 35 years. Would parts have been saved, bought and resold at swap meets and flea markets? Would tires have become reavialble for the oldest cars and motorcycles? Almost nobody talked about old car collecting in 1956 except Bob Gottlieb in MOTOR TREND, and all he wrote about was Classic Cars. I never could own one, but I enjoyed his articles. His writing spurred my interest in old cars before I was 20. Most older people thought I was crazy for being interested in old cars when one of the most important reasons to work was to get a new car. Inexpensive auto liability insurance became available in 1964 or so as a result of AACA efforts. AACA has led the way, don't miss that fact. Marque Clubs have been spawned and have grown large, but there were few of them around when I joined AACA.

Well this isn't the end of time. If the old car hobby is to survive for many years to come; if reproductions parts will continue to be made as old stock dries up, there will have to be a strong demand. If we are never to be forced to park our old cars by legislation attacking their use, or by the demise of fuel to run them, we have to represent a strong force. Marque Clubs are fun and have their place, but at the same time there has to be a place where all old car lovers join together to make a force.

And so to all of you who are today in your upper 20s, 30s, 40s, the bottom line is that if you want to enjoy the old car hobby when you are 65 or 75, you need to become an active part of it now, and work and support it with your time and intelligence, so it will be here then like it is now. If you're a young adult with an interest in cars you are encouraged to join now. Even if you like Rallye wheels on your '55 Chevy, the day may come when you see the value in having two sets of wheels and tires smile.gif as your car ages and becomes more significantly a historical object, then you might think of it today.

"Ya'all come, we'll be glad to see ya". And by the way, I've still got some "Flash" left in my "Dyna" wink.gif

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Dear PWN,Regarding the guy with the 60s muscle car,YOU have to understand how much cash and SWEAT equity one has invested in a project like that.TONS of both,PLEASE walk a mile in his shoes before blowing him off as some kind of nut case.WE really ALL can get along ,afterall WE all love old iron.diz laugh.gif

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The man says,"even if it had rallye wheels?" He's been picking on me for 3 years about my chrome wheels on the '56 Sedan Delivery, and now this. I'll give him credit though, Earl did tell me to get another set of stock wheels. Guess I'll have to for next year's Sentimental Tour. By the way Earl, All new Heavy Diesels now have a combination of catalytic converters, multible turbochargers, and computerized adjustable camshafts to meet the new smog laws that cam into effect in October of 2002. Prices went up about $4000.00 per truck. Isn't progress wonderful, or should I say expensive. Wayne

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Dave, global warming? I thought that was from the planet being over populated with irritating humans. As for the price of suvs coming down, i hope so id like to buy the wife an escalade for christmas. Please explain the proof of global warming that you will now post. jim grin.gifgrin.gifgrin.gifgrin.gifgrin.gif

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$5/gallon gasoline suits ME just fine. I get less than 16 mpg from a 56 Packard but i dont care!!! Maybe $5/gal gas would get alot of people off the roads so i can get out and enjoy something without standing in line behind soccer moms, rednecks, 3rd generation welfare recipients.... Might even get some of the work-a-day 9-to-5'ers out of my way too. I mean, its getting to the point to where even the local Iraqui owned restaurant (belive it or not its one of my favorites) is crowded at lunch time.

I dont care about pollution, i'm an air conditioned gypsy, just want to be able to go somewhere without all of the hassle.

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Dan, very well put! These cars are fun to drive even if it just around the neighborhood block or on a 5 day tour. I hope the other team members are doing well. I saw our fearless captain in Tallahassee.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Please explain the proof of global warming that you will now post. </div></div>

There is no proof, Jim. No science. No knowledge. No learning. No discovery. No critical thinking. No need for learned men or women of any kind.

No worries!

There is only God, money and blessed self-interest. All the rest is pointless debate.

God Bless America!

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<span style="font-style: italic">(Does anyone else think I've gone down that dead end too many times?</span> banghead.gif

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Dear Wayne,Please accept my apology for my behavior on this forum last evening.Am guilty of taking it too far.YOU did the RIGHT thing.diz

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Let's see, number of cars in U.S. .... substitute one for one in horses.... less sprawl, less dependance on petroleum products........... uhmmmm....

number of horses times methane gas produced by each horse......... amount of liquid waste.......... solid waste...........

ugh.. talk about global disgust in the summer warming! blush.gifgrin.gifshocked.gif

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<span style="font-weight: bold">[color:\\"blue\\"]It's all fun and games until someone puts their eye out!!!</span> missile.gif

One of the two "links" Dale put in his well thought out response to the piddling issue of our planet's continuing rapid degredation ( sleep815.gif ) actually exists. It immediately begins a download of some sort into the computer's operating system. God knows what it does.

I searched the internet for references to it. The only applicable listing I could find in Yahoo had no description or explanation.

Be careful what you click on around here!

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To Peter, Earl, and anyone else who has their "problem", please feel free to pick on me. I know how it is to live in a household where the wife wears the pants. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> I also know how expensive it is to correct the sitution. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> Been there-done that! <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Wayne

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