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Sal...

For the sake of this Forum's original purpose and intent, take a "daily" moderating "look" at what is going on here.

You cannot "moderate" it by coming on here every few weeks/months (usually prior to a Hershey, Annual Meeting, etc.), disappear for awhile, then, come back with a barrage of editing.

If you want cudos for being a Moderator/Admin...great. Now that that is out of the way, clean it up.

For the more recent participants, I can assure you, the veteran participants of this Forum certainly "got into it" over the years. I will not deny this, however, the language used lately is totally irresponsible. As Randall, and others, posted recently, the majority of decent people find it offensive.

This is the AACA's Forum...not a trash heap for those who would not have the nerve to say it to a person's face.

Let's get it together, Sal. Take a good look at how many of the participants have dropped out of regular posting, however, resorted to observing..."me included until this post."

Peter J. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

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Hell, I think this board rocks. Enough participants to make it interesting but not so many people get lost in the crowd. Theres a wide range of interests here and a wide range of age groups. I can check out a lot of neato stuff on cars made before WWII which I think is a total trip. It's a great place to exchange ideas and I get a charge out of exchanging ideas with ya'll. I really like the galleries and the wide variety of boards. I actually look forward to meeting the folks on here in person at a event. I like to come here every couple of hours for a recharge before jumping back into my own projects. Like tonight I'm filling in the gaps on that Caddy. I finished chopping the top last night. It took a little longer than I thought. Now I'm doing the finish welding and smoothing out the seams in lead, aligning and shaping the door frames, etc. I'll probably have it done next Monday night. Then I have to shape the sheetmetal to fill in the back window. Whoops, sidetracked. Anyway. When you're doing that kind of detail oriented work it's nice to be able to plug in here and just chill for a while and see what's going on. Like I said, this board rocks! <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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Dear Sal,I agree with Peter,the NUTS are taking over the world[lets see who gets elected gov.of CA.]and this forum.MOST of this stuff belongs in the R and R section.Going back to the Zephyr tonite,and NO i am NOT chopping the top.diz <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

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Work has overtaken me lately and something has overtaken this forum. I haven't been on here enough to pinpoint the problem but I recognize the symtoms when I see them. A little bit of meanness is rearing it's ugly head. We need to stop this now before it gets worse. Name calling has never been a problem here for some time, or should I say before my time. All of the veterans here know the proper way to carry on this forum. Let's make sure the newby's understand that themselves. I wouldn't mind being a moderator, but I'm never on here consistantly enough to be of any use. So, I'll say it here in this post; let's treat everyone with respect and correct those that don't. Wayne Burgess, proud user of the "AACA" forum.

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Meanness is in direct proportion to the modern behavioral esthetic. Speak what you want, and coach it in as foul a language as possible, then damn anyone who reacts. I once said the personality hygiene was a problem, and I contend that it is. Most people today, including my generation (b. 1956 AKA Baby Boomers) were not taught basic, congeniality and manners when in public or private. Manners are a joke, a hinderance to the Self and an insult. Our country is not alone in this. If you have not travelled with a group of Japanese or Germans, let alone the French, you would be amazed! They are rude, pushy, self-absorbed and smug, loud and often vulgar. But Americans top the list. We can all get a long fine, speaking on subjects both mundane and incindiary if we only considered the other person first. Manners ... I fail in this all the time, it is a goal we should constantly strive for in society but it is not taught, rather proper behavior is reviled and ridiculed. Being the salt of the earth and a good basic person does not mean you have to be rude and obnoxious, yet clearly that is how we raise our kids. How are you going to police that? I honestly believe your will strangle this forum if you try a Draconian approach.

For what it is worth ... that is my opinion.

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Heck I'm in here a couple times a day. Ya'll need a second moderator I'll be the first to step up to the plate. Prolly need some schoolin in the technical stuff but I could do it.

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Europeancarnut, From my point of view, you haven't been a part of this forum long enough to be a moderator, nor do you know enough about the AACA and it's operation to handle some of the situations that may arise. Not to be picking on you, but the outburst you had recently is one of the problems we need to get rid of here. Sorry to do that to you, but when I first came on the forum everyone respected everyone else. Here lately respect has fallen on the wayside and I'm disappointed in that. All of us need to clean up our act before a good reputation is shattered. Nuff said. Wayne

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Thank you Wayne. Better that you said it than I. ~ hvs

Euronut ~ You can't solve the problem if you don't recognize that you have been the problem. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> And to echo Wayne, you can't just waltz onto this AACA forum, not even be an AACA member and expect to assume a position of authority and responsibility. I'm not sure you can ever overcome the vulgar image you have already created for yourself. Perhaps your rightful place is elsewhere with folks of a like mind and temperment.

Just my opinion, but shared by many others. ~ hvs

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Hell I don't see anyone else volunteering. Ya'll want to put your money where your mouth is go right ahead. By the way, I am NOT the problem. I've been doing my damndest to help folks out with their cars on this forum. If it'll make your day I'll put in my member ap and money order today instead of November. Whatever makes you happy and puts a smile on your face. Besides I'm with like minded folks. After all were all car enthusiasts here right?

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Howard,

I have to agree with you on this. The picture I have of him is not a good one based on the tirades, thinly veiled insinuations and contradictions. For a newbie to waltz in and blather all over here, and attack without cause is just not a good way to EARN respect here or anywhere. Respect is earned, not a right.

Bob (Euro-nut) - Take these observations as a way of redeeming yourself as best you can. It is not a personal attack, only an observation. You have made a poor name for yourself, now it is up to you to correct that if you want to be a viable part of the forum. There are a number of people who have no or very little respect for you. Not based on what you know, but based on your presentation. You have said some things that indicate you have some valuable content to contribute. Then you come off with some off the wall BS that we as car people know to be bad advice (I will not get into specifics). The offer to moderate is well intentioned, but ill advised. You haven't show "self moderation", how do you expect to moderate others?

I don't profess to be an expert in anything. I do know I have been restoring cars since I was in 8th grade as well as turning wrenches professionally off and on for most (well over 1/2) of my 42 years. There are a lot of ways to skin a cat to be sure, but there are a lot of wrong ways as well. I am guilty of both, who isn't? <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> But I try to respect other's opinions and the fact that I am not infallible. We will surely disagree, but that can bring one some great discussions if properly presented. So take this for what it's worth to you, just my .02 worth. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

John

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I'm not a damn poet. Don't expect that from me. What ya'll want me to make presentations in Power Point? I don't give bad advice. Theres tons of different tools, materials, and techniques that'll get the job done. Need I remind you that I drove clear to Arkansas for you on a tip that there were some Amphicars in the Ft. Smith area? That the trip cost me $900 in repairs at Bob Howard Ford? How about when I drove to Oklahoma to get that list of project and parts cars? How about when I offered to drive half way to Colorado to pick up a engine for another member and rebuild it for the cost of the trip? How about when I spent all afternoon in a machine shop to see if another members wheel could be reproduced? How about this Saturday when I am again driving back to Oklahoma to help another member of this board find parts for his Buick? How about my standing offer that anyone on this board is welcome to stop in to my shop for a cup of coffee and a oil change on the house? I'm a hell of a nice guy and try and contribute to this board and all you want to do is throw it back in my face. Shoot read up a few lines and I just offered to learn the technical aspects of this site and help run it. Just today I offered to mail a rare book to another member of this board to help him in his restoration. In the Model T board I offered to make a 12 hour round trip for a guy to take some pics of a truck he's wanting to buy. I'm driving to Oklahoma again for another member to take some photos of a Willys coupe he wants to buy. I'm running all over the southwest and puttin in every available resource I have to help folks out with their cars because I love the hobby. I feel so insulted by your comments. The way you guys attack me really sucks. I may not be the most eloquent person on earth but at least I give all I got. I never finished high school. That was not a oppurtunity afforded me. I'm not a white collar guy sitting in front of a computer all day. I have skills that pay the bills and skills to help folks out with their hobby cars. I give and give and all ya'll want to do is attack me. That hurts man. I just want to help ya'll out with your cars. Then you make me feel like [censored]. Why do ya'll have to act that way?

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Like I had said before "[color:"red"]Not based on what you know, but based on your presentation" No need to tally up all your offers, (for the 4th time about the $900 already) or keep track on the generous offers for help. <span style="font-weight: bold">It is not what you say, but how you said it!</span> It is not a personal attack at all, it is good advice from good people. If we didn't care, nobody would respond! All we want you to understand is how you come across so you can correct the problem. That last reply has not helped your cause at all.

Sit back and re-read your posts, then imagine how that comes across <span style="font-weight: bold">in print</span> . Think of it as a learning process to better your communication skills.

We all have had our trials in life, I missed high school graduation too. Why? Because I was living in my car ('68 LeSabre), working 3 jobs at the age of 16, I became paralyzed at the age of 20. I could add more details that movies are made about, but it means NOTHING in the scope of things! It was a learning experience that continues to this day and will continue until they close the lid. So as they say "Cowboy up!" <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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im sorry guys i just have to put my 2 pennies in.

euro- i think your getting back what you gave out. i don't know why?

reading these repies your getting in response to your disertation, i feel bad for you!!

boy, they seem really pissed at you.

but i believe you, it sounds like your a good guy.

just read your posts first, before clicking on the continue button.

you can still get mad, just put it were it makes sense.

now that you've learned what it's like, im sure your future posts and replies will soften up these guys eventually, it'll just take time, don't worry about it, we all make mistakes!

you'll see! hang in there!

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Euro, I'm learned a techique to help me through the trials you're going through right now. When I start to get hot and mad about something, I stop. take a deep breath, and think things through thoroughly before reacting or making statements in public. You need to do that, NOW! We're not unreasonable people, but we've been through these things before and you're heading in the wrong direction. Just calm down, come back on when you have something to contribute, and don't be so mad at the world. We were all in your position once. We were all newbys. Take this as good advice. Wayne Burgess

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For Christs sweet sake will ya'll stop beatin around the friggin bush and tell me what you mean by presentation? I know my spelling and grammar sucks but that's life. I probably forget some punctuation and crap too but I proofread and catch what I can. I think we're just from 2 different sides of the track. I'm a good old boy trying to make it work and your an exec with a 9 million dollar retirement package. I don't think we'll see eye to eye but I'm willing to make a go of it. How about this: I'll type my stuff in Word and run a spell and grammar check and then cut and paste. Maybe that will help my presentation. That settles it so let's let it go. I'll improve my typing and grammer and ya'll will stop beating me up at every turn. Deal?

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Wayne, I don't think he get's it at all. It isn't his spelling, grammar or punctuation, it's all explained in the first paragraph of his last post. He ain't listening no matter how much you try to help him. Some people are beyond redemption <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

Now Mr. Multi Millionaire, would you have an opening in your multinational organization for an elderly gentleman like myself. I'm on Social Secutity and Medicare so my benefits wouldn't cut into your milti million dollar retirement, and I would work cheap just to be in the presence of such a renowned, world class businessman as yourself. Golly, you rich guys have such an easy life just sittin there countin your money with a blonde secretary on each knee. Please Mr. Wayne, can I have a job? <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> ~ hvs

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Mr Scotland, At this stage of the game, I'm desperate, you're hired. Work long hard hours, keep that chain drive wallet all shined up and you're bound to impress some floozy at the truck stop. Oh!, keep the penicillin handy. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Mr. Euronut, Is your father a lawyer type from out west way? <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> W.

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So it aint spelling and it ain't grammer so what? Is this politics, religion, what? Is it because I'm a white guy? Why are you guys jumping all over me? I just don't get it. Too many smilies? What?

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I would like a job like that too. I miss working! What I really want is a 1956 Cadillac ... I just saw a BEAUTY in the Self-Starter Black on Black and white for $18000. WAH! They are getting too expensive for me! I would have to sell both the '47 and the '77 to pony that up, and that does not leave me enough for tax, title and necessary repairs. sigh. Being disabled bites in this, or any economy.

On the other subject of this thread...nollo contendere. Salve, amici!

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Guest BruceW

Europeancarnut,

The following comments are presented as an honest, open minded opinion as I see things developing and is not meant to be combative.

It appears that the DFer's that have posted here are not complaining about anything as trivial as grammer.. punctuation or spelling.

You appear (if we are to believe your words) to be very intellegent mechanical wise and could potentially add a lot to this forum.

However, the biggest gripe the other Dfers appear to have is your tact.. or lack of it.

A few examples of some of your comments I have seen in previous posts:

1. Hey [censored]!

2. Got get a life

3. Absolute Horses**t

Not only do they sound childish, but they are inappropriate in a hobby forum such as this. I've been a member of the DF since its beginning and the DF has always tried to be a civil place to socialize and discuss antique car topics. Remember also that this hobby is not just a guys thing and there are a number of nice, intelligent ladies that post here. There can also be younger children that also read the DF because of the AACA involvement with Youth.

Sure there are disagreements now and then.. and tempers may flair here.. but they can be resolved in a civil manner.

Perhaps if you tone down your comments... even if someone really torques you off...there would not be such an uproar over your behavior.

Please give it a try and I know that any knowledge and experience you can share would be welcomed.

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Cannnot attend Rick's party. I communicated this to him.

I will be at the DF meeting as I reminded folks of this tradition, and, will see it through.

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Dear Europeancarnut,I would venture a guess and say most guys on this forum are at least 40 years old and have been around the block in one way or another.Some self employed, some retired,some still working.Most have a college education,most have a few extra bucks to spend on the cars they love,thats what brings them here. Most have not been talked to, like YOU have been talking to them in many years.If this was done face to face YOU would have a number of problems.I think we all appreciate your willingness to help.Now lets get on with it.diz <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

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euro, they are trying to tell you the polite way that they think the foul words and sarcasm is disrespectfull. personally if you clean up the swearing the sarcasm is fine with me. but i am no one. they are not used to the conversations of body type people and the language they use. nor do they like sarcasm unless it is thier own. just a word of advice from another body dude in the rough take care jim

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Hi, guys! What'd I miss yesterday?

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PeterG, is there some way that the softwear can be set so that "S--T" and "F--K" (which are the only two words not repeatable in broadcast television, <span style="font-style: italic">and that's eroding for the former</span>) can be stricken automatically where ever they appear? Perhaps you can substitute the dashed spelling I have here instead. Eurocarnut's "Absolute" thread title shouldn't be displayed on a page that includes the club logo.

(And I hope that's <span style="font-style: italic">not</span> just my opinion.)

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I have followed this board almost daily, for quite a few years. If you look at my profile, you will see that I have made very few postings. This is mostly because I don't say anything unless I have something of value, or unless I am certain of what I am saying. I will not guess or speculate. I also heed the advice of a wise man who once told me " I can't listen and talk at the same time" I know I personaly have learned alot more from listening than talking. And I can assure you, my mouth has got me into trouble in the past. I try and learn from my mistakes, and I've made plenty to learn from!

I enjoy reading these postings, but I find people like "European Nut Bar" can be very annoying. To me, they are like spam or telephone solicitors.

People that know or really have knowledge, don't need to tell everyone. I am a licenced mechanic, and own and operate a small business with around 10 employees. (it fluctuates) I can tell you,that with out exception, the more a tradesman goes on and on about how hot they are, the poorer their work actually turns out to be. Also the more you talk up yourself, the more obvious it becomes to the people that DO know. And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that I know it all. That's why my handle is an abbreiviated "Still learning"

I do feel quite sure however, that Europeanutbar is some teenaged kid having fun on his dad's computer. I mean, lazy saturday I got up and rebuilt an automatic transmission before lunch- give me a break! And as for driving all over the southern U.S. because I just want to help everyone because I love the hobby so much, I don't know about anyone else, but I have been working since 1978, and I don't seem to be able to find the time (or money!) to drive around town to accomodate my own hobby.

But, like questioner observed down in R&R, these guys come in, go hard, burn out, and disapear.

Euronutbar, I personally hope to have seen the last of you!

And if I have offended any of the regulars, I do apologize, for you have earned my respect.

enough said.

Fred Bell

Canadian reader

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someone wrote:

"...I would venture a guess and say most guys on this forum are at least 40 years old and ..."

HUH!!!! i thot i was the old man of the forum! U mean there r actually other people in here past 20 years old??? I know all of the Packard forum listers are younger than i am. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

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Guest SalG (Sal Grenci)

Dave, It has been a while since I looked at the list of bad words the software deletes, I will see if it needs updating.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I don't know guys, I tend to agree with Fred and suspect some "leg pulling" is going on in here with these euronut post. </div></div>

I thought so as well, although he sounds too committed to his own preposterous arguments not to believe them. It's not the first time I've seen someone on here who I didn't respond to out of concern for their state of mind as much as to avoid lending credence to their posts. He could have a big future analysing potential threats from paranoid middle-east dictatorships for the NSA, though.

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Jim ~ Sarcasm doesn't bother me in the least either coming in or going out. I kind of like it. And as for the profanities there are none that I haven't heard or used in my 70 years of life experience, including 5 in the military and 32 around a big city factory.

It is the women and young people who look in on this forum that need not be exposed to it, or am I just old fashioned. As someone pointed out, some of euro's postings should not be considered as being acceptable by the AACA, which is the case when they remain on this Forum. Just my thoughts on the matter. ~ hvs

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Dave@Moon,

I hope that I did not offend you.. or anyone else on the DF... by inappropriately using the full title of Europeancarnut's "Absolute" thread. I had originally intended to use the dashed spelling method but it unfortunately did not end up that way. I had not even intended to reply because I thought all of the other posters adequately explained the problem. When it appeared that Europeancarnut still did not have a clue, I thought evidence of his comments would give him a clue (I now believe he probably did understand all along but acted clueless just to agitate people).

In doing so, I ended up unintentionally making the same mistake, and for this I apologize to everyone.

I have since edited my previous remarks.

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It's good to see all my friends agree with something for a change. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> I tried my best to give this guy the benefit of the doubt. I don't want anyone to think we don't try to accomodate new people. One thing's for sure, we're all on the same page. Wayne

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Hi All,

Going into this post, I am a newbe with only 27 postings, some were offering parts I have for sale, others to find data, and the rest to offer some opinion or share a story. I am also turning 31 in a couple of weeks. I doubt there is anyone who has not heard or seen it all, but there is one thing I have learned in my short life, and that is sometimes it is best to open your ears and keep your mouth shut (in the words of my late grandfather). I bought my 52 Buick from a life-long friend of the family when I was 24. I had to fight with insurance co's to get covered. I graduated college with an assoc. degree, but in drafting. Anything I know automotive wise I learned from the race team I was on for 6 years, or friends, and reading posts or asking tech questions. There is still soo much for me to learn, but the one thing I always try to do when talking/writing to all of you is to be respectfull of everyone, because you never know where your best source of data may be, or where you could end up with a new friend. I belong to both the AACA, the BCA and one of my local car clubs out here in CT. I try my best to help others with the things I do know, and I hope that someone someday will be able to say to someone, boy, that guy was a real help! Well, in advance, thanks to all who have helped me, and to those I have yet to ask!

Looking so forward to Hershey,

Matt

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