Guest imported_SKYSTHELIMIT Posted September 17, 2003 Share Posted September 17, 2003 This trend is becoming quite popular these days in the auto industry. The rebirth of Old cars as new and all together new cars make with the look of the older ones. Is this a good or bad thing? Cars keep showing up like Plymouth Prowlers and the PTs. Packards even come back with a car as so have many of the other companies. Have you seen the new Chevy truck that kinda looks like an old Ford with step sides? All very cool but what could this do to the hobbie? Do you think this could steer the younger generation away from it with these new cars with the old look? Could cars like this put an end to the car collecting hobbie as far as Classic and classic cars sending them to the only place you would the be able to see such cars? The local museum. Here is one great example of just what I'm talking about. This is a pic of a 65 Mustang next to the new 04 or is it 05 that will be going into production. Now this pic is the concept of what the car might be like but Ford says it will be extremly close to the concept version. [color:"blue"] <span style="font-weight: bold">SEE ATTACHMENT</span> As far as I'm concerned not enough youth is in our hobbie and this will further distance this gap. Years down the line after we are gone who will take on our heritage of old cars? I can't see Museums beeing able to take them all with a lot of our cars going to the crushers to make new old cars. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DeSoto Frank Posted September 17, 2003 Share Posted September 17, 2003 By the same token, has any one noticed that many of the "new" movies hitting out cinemas are "re-makes" and most of the new shows on Broadway (or out on tour) are "revivals"....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6219_Rules Posted September 17, 2003 Share Posted September 17, 2003 As far as I can tell, the new / old look thunderbird, is not being continued. No one is buying them and those that do, trade them in because they are not what they seem. The price is ridiculous, $48000, and the performance is poor. The new mustang is pretty, and it will sell for those mustang enthusiasts that will buy the car because it is a mustang. But I do not think it will sell any better than they already do. The Cadillac XLR is the new direction (sigh) looking forward rather than in the past. People want NEW, and exciting...nostalgia only goes so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 17, 2003 Share Posted September 17, 2003 Don't worry about the youth. Hell I'm a fairly young guy (I'm less than 30 years old so I won't disclose my exact age for fear of not being taken seriously) and I have a 1962 MG Magnette, 1959 Mercedes 220, a 23 Ford T-Bucket hot rod, I'm fabricating my own chopper, and I have a 1999 F-150 that's my faithful mule. I don't believe in chopping rare old cars to make hot rods or street rods out of em. I will however chop cars that are beyond restoring or are a dime a dozen to keep them from going to the big junkyard in the sky. I'm a professional mechanic and I spend all day fixing cars. I relax by building my own projects, collecting automotive memoribilia of all kinds, going to swap meets, browsing junkyards, and reading car/motorcycle related books and magazines. Every couple of years I take a month off to tour Europe and send back parts, manuals and memoribilia. My hobbies keep me broke and sometimes I go for days without eating but I wouldn'y have it any other way. Once I got evicted from my apartment for not paying rent and I spent 14 months living in my shop and using YMCA facilities. I wouldn't have my life any other way. I'll take care of your old iron. Just will it to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nearchoclatetown Posted September 18, 2003 Share Posted September 18, 2003 VW started this revival in '94 with the Concept I, now called the New Beetle. Jim the Mushroom can confirm this. Watch TV for an evening and count the commercials or even theme songs that are 20-40 year old rock and roll songs.I think it's all healthy. Don't think any of this will have any real affect on original prices. Old Mini Cooper prices haven't changed. VW prices were headed through the roof before the NB came out. Except for being a Ford the new Mustang is Killer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizzyDale Posted September 18, 2003 Share Posted September 18, 2003 Dear europeancarnot,My brother and i drag raced for years with a bunch of guys with that same attitude.diz <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 18, 2003 Share Posted September 18, 2003 Shoot Diz, I thought everybody was like that! When I sign up with a new employer I always make sure thay have uniforms and I give the uniform guy a 20 spot so he gives me 7 uniforms instead of the usual 5. This way when I'm working on my own stuff I don't have to worry about messing up my clothes. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> While I do have the requisite fancy dress clothes for the more upscale shows my wardrobe consists mainly of Old Navy mechanics jeans, car/motorcycle T-shirts and long sleeve shirts worn unbottoned. The shirts are ones I "borrowed" from previous employers. When I move on the pants get turned in but the shirts stay in the closet! <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> For me it's a lifestyle. I plan my life around what show I'm going to, what swap meet I absolutely can't miss. When it comes time to pay the bills the shop get's paid for first, then the truck payment, then any magazine subscriptions, parts for restorations, club memberships, parts cars, tool bills. Then I pay my landlord. Finally I buy food. Did you know you can buy a case of 100 packages Ramen Noodles at Sams for around $20? At least the cars are taken care of. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Which reminds me I need to get some more 20 gauge steel for the seat pan on my chopper. Oh yeah then theres the English wheel I have on layaway. HMMM, what's cheaper than Ramen Noodles? <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> I really can't complain though. I make a good buck as a mechanic and have a decent little side business going for extra cash. Besides I'm having a blast! <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 In my opinion, the difference between our old cars and the new ones they make today is that the cars they make today are plastic junk that will eventualy fall apart like a plastic snap together model. They are both on the same order.High priced plastic junk I may add)As far as the youth, you are correct. I belong to another club which is struggling because their is no younger members getting involved. The price of our hobby is probably part of the problem here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave@Moon Posted October 5, 2003 Share Posted October 5, 2003 I think there are greater sins than nostalgic remakes that at least incorporate the spirit of the original. <span style="font-style: italic">They</span> can at least inspire interest in the original. For instance I'll bet there's 10 times the number of people aware of the BMC Mini here now that the BMW Mini is out there recalling it.Some of that interest may rub off on our hobby. I doubt that many who'd otherwise be interested in aquiring and maintaining an original vehicle would be disuaded long term by buying a modern version, but those with an interest in the past can be directed by presnt day reminders like the Mini.This one irks me, however: How could anything like the 2003 Avanti Studebaker inspire interest in the sophisticated elan of the 1963 Studebaker Avanti? And how many frightened little boys with issues will buy one of these beasts with the slightest interest in the history or tradition of the name?It's like selling <span style="font-style: italic">Rolex</span> tuna fish sandwiches! <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Crabby Posted October 5, 2003 Share Posted October 5, 2003 This phenomenon is easily explained amd disposed of.In periods of economic prosperity,however illusory,there exists an innate human desire to express distinction by virtue of material goods.Every epoch has borne witness to this fact.The current crop of bloated family wagons, as well as vinyl clad McMansions simply bears witness to the ease with which such hollow wet dreams are realized.The difference between these cheap and tawdry products of today and the autos and domestic architechtural standards of say 65-70 years ago is one of industrial standards, people nowadays are simply satisfied with less,so long as it makes a big splash, the hell with any built in value.The great folly of it all is that the majority of these insecure drones is that they cannot really afford these tokens of affluence,or is it effluence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_SKYSTHELIMIT Posted October 5, 2003 Share Posted October 5, 2003 That thing has to be the ugliest suv I've ever seen. It looks like a painted cardboard box on wheels with traffic light rear tail lights to boot and to many roof rack rails making it totaly impractical. Someone please tell me this thing is only a concept and Studs not actualy going to produce this thing. I think I've just lost all respect for the Baker name. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex98thdrill Posted October 5, 2003 Share Posted October 5, 2003 SUV?? No that's a Humvee. An overpriced, uncomfortable piece of junk. I have ridden in both the military and civillian versions and neither one of them were comfortable or had an over abundance of leg room. I will admit that those things are excellent when you're going off road, but the engines that they put in the military version don't have the greatest track record. The Diesels just don't seem to handle the abuse, and the military versions require new tires every 5,000 miles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DeSoto Frank Posted October 5, 2003 Share Posted October 5, 2003 Please tell me someone has been playing with their Microsoft Photo-shop and morphed that Studebaker name on the back of that Dum-Vee...ThaT would be too ridiculous to those of who know better...even worse than a '57 Stude wearing Packard badges....a sad end for a great marque ! <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave@Moon Posted October 5, 2003 Share Posted October 5, 2003 Sorry Frank, but that thing is the real deal, brought to you fresh from the current owners of the Avanti Corp. name! It's official name is the <span style="font-style: italic">Avanti Studebaker XUV</span>. In fact GM is suing them over the similarity to the Hummer H1 design. Can you believe that we live in an age where looking like <span style="font-style: italic">that</span> is a market advantage worth suing over! On their web page there are a few more photos. Avert your eyes if you're sensitive to grusome scenes. They can't be cut and pasted here. The front end design, while at least more original, is so ugly/aggressive (IMHO) it is best avoided. I've never seen it published in print. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />You think that roof rack is absurd, you should see the one on my Nissan Frontier! It's huge, made of 2" diameter aluminum tubes, looks like a serious roll cage, <span style="font-weight: bold">[color:"red"]<span style="font-style: italic">and it can carry a maximum of 125lbs.! </span> </span> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />Pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex98thdrill Posted October 6, 2003 Share Posted October 6, 2003 125 pounds?? Well I guess that rules out the possibibility of putting my wife's aunt up there like Chevy Chase did in the 1983 movie "National Lampoon's Vacation" <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /><img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave@Moon Posted October 6, 2003 Share Posted October 6, 2003 Turns out the suit was settled. There will be detail changes to the design to keep GM happy. Here's the story. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style="font-weight: bold">Avanti/Studebaker agrees to make changes to Hummer look-a-like</span> <span style="font-style: italic">Tuesday August 12 9:15 AM ESTVilla Rica, Georgia </span>- The dispute between Georgia-based independent automaker Avanti Motor Corp. and General Motors Corp. over the design of Avanti's Studebaker XUV, has been settled out of court. Avanti has agreed to make styling changes to its XUV. The story began when Avanti's Studebaker XUV (for "Xtreme Utility Vehicle") was unveiled at the Chicago Auto Show last February. A day after the XUV was introduced, GM took legal action, stating that the vehicle looked too similar to the popular Hummer H2 and would confuse the car-buying public. The Detroit automaker then sought to have Avanti remove the XUV from the event, but Auto Show officials refused, leading GM to the courts for injunctions to not only keep Avanti from displaying the XUV at the Chicago show, but to stop Avanti from displaying it at any auto show. They were twice denied action, and a June court date was set for GM's subsequent lawsuit to block Avanti's manufacture of the Studebaker XUV altogether. The recent settlement between the two auto builders will result in some minor alterations to the XUV's design. Among the changes are a larger slant to the windshield and A-pillar, the removal of hood latches and vents, the addition of vent windows in the rear side doors, larger side windows, and a smaller luggage rack (a larger version will be available as a dealer option). The rear tailgate will open from the bottom, and the rear window will roll down into the tailgate. Construction on the vehicle is scheduled to begin this fall, with first deliveries near year's end. The XUV, offered with a five-speed transmission, measures 80 inches wide, 79.6 inches tall and 215.5 inches long, with a 134-inch wheelbase and a curb weight of 6,035 lbs. Buyers may choose either a 325-horsepower, 6.0-litre turbo-diesel V8 or a 310-hp, 6.8-litre V10 which may be equipped with an optional supercharger, raising the engine rating to 425 hp. The price of the XUV starts at approximately U.S.$75,000. Avanti is the largest independent automaker in the United States. Its web-site is www.avantimotors.com </div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_SKYSTHELIMIT Posted October 6, 2003 Share Posted October 6, 2003 You should see the Thule set up I've got. It's a huge metal tub framed basket. Something like you would see on someones 4x4 to carry those big tires in. It's rated for 250lbs but I have had close to 500lbs in it already and it has two outboard bike carriers on it so you can still get at the basket. Thule even sells custom off road lights for it for $200 a set. Now with my big old Suburban I'm going to get the extentions for it that will make the basket 2 to 3 feet longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizzyDale Posted October 6, 2003 Share Posted October 6, 2003 Dear Carleton, OK,Time to come clean......WHATS with the CARITAS ROMANO alias?I am TRYIN to get this damn bridge built and your dicken around!!!!diz <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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