Lahti35 Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 1941 Packard Coupe with AC - $23,500 OBO - Washington, MI. Marketplace - 1941 Packard 120 · Business coupe | Facebook 1941 120 business coupe factory air conditioning Owned by the late Dr Charles Blackman It’s a complete car, small damage to passenger side window (cracks) it’s a beautiful 2 tone grey and black color, chrome is in good condition garage kept car It’s a rare junior car being a business coupe with factory air and it’s the second year Packard had air conditioning It’s located outside of Lansing Michigan 28,292 miles Scratches on the paint Has title 23.5k obo 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingrudy Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 IMO the seller should have used a duster to make this car look as good as possible. Also, it would have been nice to have included if this car is a runner, or not. That much dust suggests that the car has not been driven in a while. The white walls being that yellow might also suggest that those tires have been in the car for some time. I don't know if the fact that the car has air conditioning or not increases the value of the car. Certainly sets this car apart from other 120s of this year. GLWTS 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deac Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 I like this the look of this Packard. I doubt the A/C works and technology and refrigerants used today have advanced so far that I don't know that you could resuscitate that system. I assume it runs/drives. I think there's some upholstery work to done. The seller writes that it has 28 thousand and change on the odometer; is that original mileage with documentation to back it up? I don't think the seller puts much into maintaining the car and it's a junior model, 120, so I think the price is too aggressive. Also is that household generic electrical cord used on the headlight junction block? I like the 41 Buick 4 door convertible! sitting in the background! There's also a pretty big pre war car there as well with artillery wheels. Anyone have an idea what it is? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif in Calif Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 I think the A/C makes this a very interesting car and I'd like to know more about the early history of automotive A/C. The A/C shop down the street is not going to be able to get the system going again, but I bet there are those who could. I wonder what the original working medium was... Ammonia was one of the earliest, and it is still used in some large commercial systems. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deac Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 (edited) 1 hour ago, Leif in Calif said: I think the A/C makes this a very interesting car and I'd like to know more about the early history of automotive A/C. The A/C shop down the street is not going to be able to get the system going again, but I bet there are those who could. I wonder what the original working medium was... Ammonia was one of the earliest, and it is still used in some large commercial systems. assuming the A/C system is not working the seals are probably dried out and cracking. What is the state of that old air compressor and associated hoses? Are condenser and receiver drier useable? Most modern refrigerants work at a higher pressure so that would put added stress on the old system. Edited May 3 by deac (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 4 hours ago, deac said: "There's also a pretty big pre war car there as well with artillery wheels. Anyone have an idea what it is?" The car to the right is a 1940 Packard Custom Super Eight One-Eighty either a Model 1807 All-Weather Cabriolet by Rollson or a Model 1808 All-Weather Town Car by Rollson. The late 1930's-to-1942 Packard custom formal body styles were contracted to Rollston/Rollson. The name change came because of a business reorganization and management changes. Many of these late catalogued formal styles were built by Rollson based on the production body shells with modifications, considered semi-custom bodies. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
95Cardinal Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 (edited) This 120 coupe is now at home in my (too small) garage. A LOT of "deferred maintenance" is needed before I can drive it, but it DID start and run. The AC has been converted to R134a, but I haven't had the car running long enough to know if it works. It appears that all of the AC soft lines were replaced when the conversion was done. The water pump is off for rebuild. That will require re-installing the fan mounting hub which had been installed backwards on the water pump shaft. I'm guessing the extreme pulley misalignment (more than 1/4" out of alignment) led to the pump's early demise. The pump looked very fresh, but leaked badly. The brake system was bone dry. I'm rebuilding all the wheel cylinders and the master cylinder, and replacing all the hoses. I also found a crushed hard line on the top of the rear axle, so I'll be making a new hard line for that as well. It was described as a "Gray & Black" two-tone in the ad, but it's actually "Silver French Gray" over "Puritan Gray". Unfortunately, it looks like the car lived under a mulberry (or similar) tree and the falling fruit stained the paint. Time will tell if it can be repaired without re-painting. I've wanted to own a Packard for quite a while and I'm excited about getting this one roadworthy. Maybe I'll start a "re-commissioning" thread so people can follow the progress. Edited June 29 by 95Cardinal Re-attached all images (see edit history) 12 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lahti35 Posted June 28 Author Share Posted June 28 3 hours ago, 95Cardinal said: I've wanted to own a Packard for quite a while and I'm excited about getting this one roadworthy. Maybe I'll start a "re-commissioning" thread so people can follow the progress. Please do, I'm sure I'm not the only one who would like to follow your progress! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bryankazmer Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 On 5/3/2024 at 9:41 AM, kingrudy said: On 5/3/2024 at 9:41 AM, kingrudy said: I don't know if the fact that the car has air conditioning or not increases the value of the car. A complete Packard pre-war AC, in a car owned by a marque expert, is a very desirable accessory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classiclines Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Congratz on the acquisition!!! Always glad to see a worthy car get a good home. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodneybeauchamp Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 8 hours ago, 95Cardinal said: This 120 coupe is now at home in my (too small) garage. A LOT of "deferred maintenance" is needed before I can drive it, but it DID start and run. The AC has been converted to R134a, but I haven't had the car running long enough to know if it works. It appears that all of the AC soft lines were replaced when the conversion was done. The water pump is off for rebuild. That will require re-installing the fan mounting hub which had been installed backwards on the water pump shaft. I'm guessing the extreme pulley misalignment (more than 1/4" out of alignment) led to the pump's early demise. The pump looked very fresh, but leaked badly. The brake system was bone dry. I'm rebuilding all the wheel cylinders and the master cylinder, and replacing all the hoses. I also found a crushed hard line on the top of the rear axle, so I'll be making a new hard line for that as well. It was described as a "Gray & Black" two-tone in the ad, but it's actually "Silver French Gray" over "Puritan Gray". Unfortunately, it looks like the car lived under a mulberry (or similar) tree and the falling fruit stained the paint. Time will tell if it can be repaired without re-painting. I've wanted to own a Packard for quite a while and I'm excited about getting this one roadworthy. Maybe I'll start a "re-commissioning" thread so people can follow the progress. Yes please. Do start a blog on this refurbishment. Always interested in what process others use to bring these back to nice drivers. Looking forward to your progress! Rodney 😀😀😀😀😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arcticbuicks Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 nice car......looks like someone retrofitted the AC to modern ......i wonder if the original compressor comes with the car ,the modern 1980s AC compressor and few items are typical 80s used on Ford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m-mman Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 On 5/3/2024 at 9:57 AM, Leif in Calif said: think the A/C makes this a very interesting car and I'd like to know more about the early history of automotive A/C Just for the record. The best most accurate history of automotive A/C can be found here: https://www.amazon.com/That-Feels-Good-entrepreneurs-Satisfaction/dp/1481194062 You will learn that auto A/C was invented-perfected in Texas(!). A hot humid place that really needed A/C. Detroit wasn’t really interested. It just wasn’t that necessary in Detroit Michigan. Eventually the Texas people linked up with the Detroit carmakers who saw A/C as a profit center. The mass production of A/C on an assembly line was not as easy as adding other options. Good luck with your recommissioning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne sheldon Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 YES! I/we love follow-ups and happy endings! Sounds like it is in good hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zdillinger Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Glad the project is under way! Please do start that thread, and let me known if you ever need a second set of hands to work on the car! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Mack_CT Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Congrats @95Cardinal!! Join Packardinfo.com if you haven't already and @West Peterson can no doubt advise on the AC. Cool Packard! Oh, do take the time to check torque on headbolts. Like most straight 8's a weak spot is back of block farthest from water. Blew a head gasket on our 120 after putting it on the road from a long sit. Could have been avoided with that tip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingrudy Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Congratulations on your "new" car. She sure is a beauty having cleaned her up a bit. I look forward to following your thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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