30DodgePanel Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 (edited) Like the photos thread we've seen, why not have a articles thread where we can refer to often for information if needed? Here's a interesting read I thought some of you might enjoy. Double click to zoom in. After reading this article, one can see why we, even today, are proud to be part of the Dodge Brothers family as we apply our role in present day stewards for the next generation of automotive historians and hobbyists who enjoy the Dodge and Graham Brothers brands. Cheers to an incredible man, brotherhood and automotive pioneers... My apologies for the poor copied quality of the article but I thought it should be shared nonetheless. Edited July 30 by 30DodgePanel (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22touring Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 (edited) I thought this article in Hemming's was very informative: https://www.hemmings.com/stories/article/charles-w-matheson I didn't know that Matheson had made his own car before going to work for Dodge Bros. Nor did I know that Frederick Haynes was the co-manufacturer of the Haynes-Apperson car. (Oops, this may be wrong. I think the Haynes of the Haynes-Apperson car was Elwood Haynes.) Edited July 31 by 22touring correction (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted July 31 Author Share Posted July 31 (edited) When we think of State Fairs we don't associate them with the introduction of new car or truck models but that's precisely what was taking place in Michigan in the early 1920s as we research the summer of 1921 directly after the Graham / Dodge Brothers agreement was inked. From a Michigan magazine date Aug 1921 This snippet from the far right of this article gives us a small glimpse at some of the earliest Graham Brothers trucks being introduced by Thomas Doyle a very connected Detroit Michigan Dodge Brothers dealer at the time. Now, ... imagine how your local State Fair would feel and look if you were watching the history of automotive industry roll out before your eyes. What an incredible time it must have been to be a young man with a passion for automobiles in Michigan in those days.... Edited July 31 by 30DodgePanel (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted August 3 Author Share Posted August 3 If you're ever in London you can visit 245 Oxford Street where it began in Europe. Article is from a Feb 28 1920 edition. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted August 3 Author Share Posted August 3 (edited) This will sound familiar to some who own cars around this time frame. Note the opening statement that they never waited until the end of the season to incorporate improvements. Although I believe it's possible that two Dodge's may have been made the same, this is evidence that it's also possible that there were frequent changes that only add to the mystery of why some cars have parts that the next in serial # may not have leading some in the DB club to say no two were made the same. From the article on 1920 features on several makes Edited August 3 by 30DodgePanel (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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30DodgePanel Posted August 19 Author Share Posted August 19 (edited) Attaching this here so we all have it for future reference if needed (thank you AACA for allowing this). FPO IP Research & Communities (freepatentsonline.com) When you click on the list and scroll down it shows most of the earliest patents for the Dodge Brothers. Edited August 19 by 30DodgePanel (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nearchoclatetown Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 (edited) Holy smoly, I have seen a few of these before but never all together. May I suggest that you have them copied to the DBC website too. This is important stuff. Who knew John patented the little footrest beside the gas peddle? Just kidding. Some of this has changed the way cars were built for everyone. Edited August 19 by nearchoclatetown (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nearchoclatetown Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 Love the description of a cone clutch. They actually work quite well. I've worked on overhead cranes and the brake system is still this same concept. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted August 20 Author Share Posted August 20 (edited) This is a must read for anyone who hasn't seen it before. Dodge Centennial: How To Build A Car And A Car Company, In Three Notebooks | The Truth About Cars I'm hopeful that the notebooks will someday be digititally accessible for the world to appreciate. Edited August 20 by 30DodgePanel (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nearchoclatetown Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 Excellent find, AGAIN. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nearchoclatetown Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 I think this is the notebook that I read, about 3 inches thick of paper. It's in Haynes' handwriting and gives a good idea why he was as important as he was to DB. It is daily notes from his desk on what he did for the day. In about Sept. 1914 they still didn't know who's wheels and rims to use, generator, carb, springs, etc. was still being quoted. Some of the quotes were to the fourth place, like $3.3827 per item. Some companies were eliminated because they could not promise 1000 or so parts per day. And DB had not yet built the first car. As soon as production started DB was trying to cut out the suppliers. They still bought parts but were also building tooling so they could make the part cheaper and better. He did many of the job interviews for employees like engineers. Notes were about how the person was dressed, carried themselves, attitude, etc. One guy was well dressed, family man, made something like $30 a week and would work for less. Very interesting reading. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted September 9 Author Share Posted September 9 (edited) Interesting glimpse into the exports of trucks. I've did my best at editing the first two sections for a side by side comparison to show an example of how the pages lined up. Guessing this was on for those exports reported during the month of June. Has anyone ever came across something similar for passenger cars? Edited September 9 by 30DodgePanel (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22touring Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted September 23 Author Share Posted September 23 (edited) Just a few of the photos out there that bring this incredible story to life. Thanks for posting the ariticle A link to more photos of the expedition Digital Collections | AMNH - Search Result Edited September 23 by 30DodgePanel (see edit history) 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nearchoclatetown Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 There are some more dual white wall tires, both inside and out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22touring Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 That time when Walter P. Chrysler bought Dodge Brothers Corporation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Gregush Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 The Dodge Brothers pictures start at about page 9 in above link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22touring Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 The first DB car arrives in Los Angeles in December, 1914: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nearchoclatetown Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE find the article for the first DB in Maine. I have not been able to. I know where that car is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22touring Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 Here you go, Doug: 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nearchoclatetown Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 That's incredible, I could not find it. You are my hero. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22touring Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 Don't mention it, Doug. I am glad to do it for you because you have helped me a lot with advice about my restoration. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nearchoclatetown Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 SO, I guess I have to ask, 22touring. Are all states available? I know some '14's were redistributed in '64. It seems Chrysler bought back as many early cars as they could. I won't call what they did as restore them, maybe refurbish the cars then gave them to original dealers for the 50th anniversary. The '14 that was at Meadow Brook hall in 2014 was one of those. I have heard of another. There are two very early cars in Calif. I know of another that came from N.Y. in the 1960's. If you remember the Detroit Lubricator ad from two different issues of the DBC magazine when the new editor took over if told of a '14 that climbed Mt. Washington locked somehow in high gear. It also talked of high fuel mileage and had the serial number in the ad. That is the car that was in N.Y. It was shown at Hershey last week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted October 22 Author Share Posted October 22 Copy No. 12 11 prior copies may still be out there in hiding gents The truck in the photo appears to be one of the earliest from the 1000-3000 series model trucks after the deal was inked between Graham and Dodge Brothers in 1921 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nearchoclatetown Posted October 23 Share Posted October 23 Is that truck part of the Gobi Desert tour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted October 23 Author Share Posted October 23 (edited) 9 hours ago, nearchoclatetown said: Is that truck part of the Gobi Desert tour? No, that was a few years later in 1925, the article for that truck is to the right. Proving that the Dodge Brothers powered trucks have always been able to out haul anything then and still continues in the Ram powered trucks today Edited October 23 by 30DodgePanel (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted October 28 Author Share Posted October 28 (edited) Did the DL car and G30 trucks use the same engine? It's also showing a G10 truck on this bulletin, I've never seen a G10 truck in any literature (yet). I suppose it could be a typo and they meant to type G20. I presume this is no different than the car and trucks sharing the Victory, the DA, the Senior, or the Standard sixes? Edited October 28 by 30DodgePanel (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22touring Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 I nominate this D.B. ad for the "most flowery prose" award of all the D.B. ads I have ever seen. It appeared in the New York Tribune on October 10, 1920. This was after John's death in January, but before Horace's death in December. I wonder whether the dealer whose name is mentioned or the D.B. organization wrote the ad copy. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted November 7 Author Share Posted November 7 I felt myself saying "Amen" after reading that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted November 8 Author Share Posted November 8 No doubting who made the Senior Six engine. I knew I'd seen it somewhere, it only took me two years to recall where... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted November 19 Author Share Posted November 19 (edited) And we wonder why we have SOOOOO many questions regarding trucks. Note the wording in the paragraph with large print. 2,242 combinations? Good lord! WTH was I thinking trying to research these trucks lol... I can almost hear Doug now.... "No two were the same" may not be completely true but it must have been a miracle if any were standardized other than fleet trucks. Edited November 19 by 30DodgePanel (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nearchoclatetown Posted November 19 Share Posted November 19 I'm not going to use the word "lie" but read the sentence that says we have shipped a considerably larger amount of trucks to date than the whole month of July. The letter is dated Aug. 1. I'm just sayin'. How could that be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minibago Posted November 19 Share Posted November 19 17 minutes ago, nearchoclatetown said: I'm not going to use the word "lie" but read the sentence that says we have shipped a considerably larger amount of trucks to date than the whole month of July. The letter is dated Aug. 1. I'm just sayin'. How could that be? Just to be clear, the letter was dated Aug 1 1928 and refers to “Shipping a considerably larger amount of trucks to date than the whole month of July 1927” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nearchoclatetown Posted November 19 Share Posted November 19 yup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minibago Posted November 19 Share Posted November 19 So we agree that the statement is comparing July 1928 with July 1927 ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minibago Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 Published on August 1 1928 so written before this date to get to the printers ready for release to the dealers. Before the fax let alone email. I’m just saying, that is how it can be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted November 20 Author Share Posted November 20 (edited) Anyone ever heard of the "Hook-On" ? Article from The American Exporter magazine unsure of year but I'd guess 1922-23 according to some of the past tense wording. Edited November 20 by 30DodgePanel (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nearchoclatetown Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 Mark it in your book, I missed the 1927 date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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