alsancle Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 The remainder of the cars from Mark Smith's estate will be auctioned off on April 7th. I saw this RR at Pebble a few years ago and it is super cool. https://www.goodingco.com/lot/1933-rolls-royce-phantom-i-riviera-town-car 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 It’s fantastic. Keep as is, or dump 1.5 in it to show it at Pebble. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURktman Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 @edinmass, just a question since I'm thoroughly ignorant of cars at this level but what would be the best route for this car? Keep as is or do the full resto? There can't be too many in original condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 18 Author Share Posted February 18 1 hour ago, AURktman said: @edinmass, just a question since I'm thoroughly ignorant of cars at this level but what would be the best route for this car? Keep as is or do the full resto? There can't be too many in original condition. I'll answer for Ed. It needs 200k in clean up & mechanical sorting but needs to be cosmetically preserved as is. A full boat restoration would be both foolish and a crime. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURktman Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 11 minutes ago, alsancle said: I'll answer for Ed. It needs 200k in clean up & mechanical sorting but needs to be cosmetically preserved as is. A full boat restoration would be both foolish and a crime. That’s what I was thinking, this is probably the only one left like this in original condition. I have a buddy egging me on to go to one of the Amelia Island shows, maybe next year I will take him up on it. I’m assuming this car would be allowed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 18 Author Share Posted February 18 49 minutes ago, AURktman said: That’s what I was thinking, this is probably the only one left like this in original condition. I have a buddy egging me on to go to one of the Amelia Island shows, maybe next year I will take him up on it. I’m assuming this car would be allowed? If it was allowed at Pebble it would be allowed at Amelia. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 (edited) I like town cars…….especially Springfield Rolls Town Cars. But I also have a soft spot for a few other specials…….a L-29 Murphy, or this Pierce come to mind. Taken at the same Pebble, on the same day as the photo AJ posted. Edited February 18 by edinmass (see edit history) 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 18 Author Share Posted February 18 13 minutes ago, edinmass said: I like town cars…….especially Springfield Rolls Town Cars. But I also have a soft spot for a few other specials…….a L-29 Murphy, or this Pierce come to mind. Taken at the same Pebble, on the same day as the photo AJ posted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 60 years earlier.... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ak Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 On 3/16/2023 at 12:33 PM, ak said: The car was recently invited to and did appear at Pebble in that condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ak Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 On 2/18/2023 at 2:35 PM, edinmass said: It’s fantastic. Keep as is, or dump 1.5 in it to show it at Pebble. The Rolls Royce Riviera Town Car was recently invited to and did appear at Pebble in that condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted March 23 Author Share Posted March 23 8 minutes ago, ak said: The Rolls Royce Riviera Town Car was recently invited to and did appear at Pebble in that condition. Yes. In my first post, I show pictures of it in the truck lot at Pebble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 Just wondering, If that unrestored Town Car has been shown at Pebble Beach does that have a negative effect on bidding? It has been on the lawn and can't return until 10 years have passed, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted March 24 Author Share Posted March 24 1 hour ago, 1937hd45 said: Just wondering, If that unrestored Town Car has been shown at Pebble Beach does that have a negative effect on bidding? It has been on the lawn and can't return until 10 years have passed, correct? Sometimes, if the car has been recently shown, it is a negative. I don’t believe so in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ak Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 That is rich. That it was invited to and did appear at Pebble being a "negative". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted March 27 Author Share Posted March 27 2 hours ago, ak said: That is rich. That it was invited to and did appear at Pebble being a "negative". It is a negative if the new owner wants the car to bring to Pebble Beach. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 (edited) On 3/27/2023 at 5:46 PM, alsancle said: It is a negative if the new owner wants the car to bring to Pebble Beach. It’s a great car. Being born and raised in Springfield, not much better. That said, with such a small market and a recent showing at Pebble…….it will effect market market price for most of the bidders who would be gunning for it. More interesting is the number it will change hand at……..I think the estimates published on this P1 is particularly low. Just an opinion, I’ll be on hand at the sale watching it…….I expect it will do well. Edited March 31 by edinmass (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURktman Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 (edited) Since I know virtually nothing about Pebble, I Googled it (I know, generally not good info) and happened upon this article (Yes, Wikipedia….ugh) “ Once a car is accepted to the Concours, it cannot again be entered in the event for ten years, with three exceptions; the ownership of the car has changed, the car has been restored, or if the featured marque is obscure, the Concours car selection committee can reach out to invite cars of varying restoration quality—or cars that have previously been entered in the Concours—in order to provide a healthy representation of the marque for exhibition.” Does this mean any new owner would get the chance to show it? Or is Wikipedia wrong yet again? Edited April 1 by AURktman (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 1 hour ago, AURktman said: Since I know virtually nothing about Pebble, I Googled it (I know, generally not good info) and happened upon this article (Yes, Wikipedia….ugh) “ Once a car is accepted to the Concours, it cannot again be entered in the event for ten years, with three exceptions; the ownership of the car has changed, the car has been restored, or if the featured marque is obscure, the Concours car selection committee can reach out to invite cars of varying restoration quality—or cars that have previously been entered in the Concours—in order to provide a healthy representation of the marque for exhibition.” Does this mean any new owner would get the chance to show it? Or is Wikipedia wrong yet again? Depends…….😎 On the car, the class, the owner, upgrades, and a bunch of other items. Let’s just say, 95 percent of the people the answer will be…… ring it back in 15-20 years, maybe. Probably not. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURktman Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 How “obscure” of brand does it need to be for it to be asked back routinely? 1 of 5ish remaining? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted April 1 Author Share Posted April 1 1 hour ago, AURktman said: How “obscure” of brand does it need to be for it to be asked back routinely? 1 of 5ish remaining? Believe it or not, the 1 in 5 doesn't really qualify as being overly special. This particular car is special because it is unrestored and there are so few cars like that anymore. I don't know how hard it is to fill out the preservation class which is where I believe Mark showed this last time. If it is hard, then maybe it could go back sooner. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 Preservation class always has plenty of applications. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted April 10 Author Share Posted April 10 180k hammer. One of the deals. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bloom Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 1 hour ago, alsancle said: 180k hammer. One of the deals. I liked that a lot from what I saw online and wondered how it looked in person. Did you get a chance to spend some time with it? If so, what were your thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted April 11 Author Share Posted April 11 9 hours ago, John Bloom said: I liked that a lot from what I saw online and wondered how it looked in person. Did you get a chance to spend some time with it? If so, what were your thoughts? Very original and untouched. And a gentle preservation restoration where you are just cleaning and fixing What is there would make it perfect. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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