John Bloom Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 2 hours ago, West Peterson said: I believe Sakhoffsky did more to influence exceptional automotive design than any other designer of the period, and probably the least recognizable name to most car enthusiasts. I remember the first time I saw a photo of his L29 cord and thinking “that is the most beautiful/sexy car I’ve ever seen” I don’t know if I still have it in the number one spot, but it is top 10 for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericmac Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, John Bloom said: I remember the first time I saw a photo of his L29 cord and thinking “that is the most beautiful/sexy car I’ve ever seen” I don’t know if I still have it in the number one spot, but it is top 10 for sure. I too remember the first time I saw an L-29 Cord in person and had exactly the same reaction to it. It was a phaeton sedan that had just been finished up and wound up winning a lot of awards in the ACD Club in the early to mid '80s. A well restored car, it remains on display at the ACD Museum. I know it's an open car but still, the lines of this car are among the most beautiful I have ever seen. Edited January 15, 2023 by ericmac (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bloom Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 6 hours ago, ericmac said: I too remember the first time I saw an L-29 Cord in person and had exactly the same reaction to it. It was a phaeton sedan that had just been finished up and wound up winning a lot of awards in the ACD Club in the early to mid '80s. A well restored car, it remains on display at the ACD Museum. I know it's an open car but still, the lines of this car are among the most beautiful I have ever seen. Eric, that is a beautiful car. I believe I have seen it at the ACD museum. I was speaking about this car specifically and should have included a picture with my comments. now, back to sedans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 (edited) Sakhoffsky did a bunch of other work besides cars. He did White trucks and busses, as well as a other commercial work. Maybe we should do a thread with named designers and post photos of their creations. Ralph Roberts is my favorite and not too well known designer. I have owned a half dozen cars he did. Still have on of them………for well over forty years. Edited January 15, 2023 by edinmass (see edit history) 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Mack_CT Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 Great thread idea, Ed. Tried to kick that off a while back but it fizzled. Well, I did get "Vargas" who penned some nice stuff.... 2nd time could be a charm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 36 minutes ago, edinmass said: Sakhoffsky did a bunch of other work besides cars. He did White trucks and busses, as well as a other commercial work. Maybe we should do a thread with named designers and post photos of their creations. Ralph Roberts is my favorite and not too well known designer. I have owned a half dozen cars he did. Still have on of them………for well over forty years. Interesting man. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 15, 2023 Author Share Posted January 15, 2023 We can start a thread on who was who. Lebaron was complicated. The snippets George posted gloss over the "two partners" who were none other than Ray Dietrich and Tom Hibbard. Perhaps Walt can comment but I thought Roberts was the business guy at Lebaron when he joined. Dietrich and Hibbard were the design guys. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericmac Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 8 hours ago, John Bloom said: Eric, that is a beautiful car. I believe I have seen it at the ACD museum. I was speaking about this car specifically and should have included a picture with my comments. now, back to sedans. Ooo La LA. Yes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 5 hours ago, alsancle said: We can start a thread on who was who. Lebaron was complicated. The snippets George posted gloss over the "two partners" who were none other than Ray Dietrich and Tom Hibbard. Perhaps Walt can comment but I thought Roberts was the business guy at Lebaron when he joined. Dietrich and Hibbard were the design guys. Ralph did a bunch of stuff on the back side………most of the open Pierce Arrows from 1930-1932. And his style filtered over into the closed cars also. Tom Hibbard is an interesting guy also. I met his grandson last year while driving my White. He asked if it was Rubay while walking up to it. I said yes, and that his grandfather designed it. Lots of fun. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 15, 2023 Author Share Posted January 15, 2023 Bohman and Schwartz gets a lot of crap from us but they did screw up and make some nice cars on occasion. This is a 39 Packard. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 15, 2023 Author Share Posted January 15, 2023 This is a more typical B&S offering. (And I know some of you would have guessed Rollson!) 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bryankazmer Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 25 minutes ago, alsancle said: This is a more typical B&S offering. (And I know some of you would have guessed Rollson!) That car's original owner gave some specific instructions that resulted in the high profile. She got what she wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 19 minutes ago, bryankazmer said: That car's original owner gave some specific instructions that resulted in the high profile. She got what she wanted. She must of liked very tall hats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 16, 2023 Author Share Posted January 16, 2023 34 minutes ago, George K said: She must of liked very tall hats. Or she was married to Abraham Lincoln. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC38dls Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Wasn’t Mrs Lincoln nuts? dave s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 53 minutes ago, alsancle said: Or she was married to Abraham Lincoln. That’s probably it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, alsancle said: Bohman and Schwartz gets a lot of crap from us but they did screw up and make some nice cars on occasion. This is a 39 Packard. A.J.: Thanks for posting this 1939 Packard Twelve Sport Sedan by Bohmann and Schwartz, I couldn't find the photos I have filed. I encountered it at The Packard Experience at the CCCA/Gilmore in 1994. Having seen photos of their generally heavy-handed and less-than-appealing prior customs, wondered how this Packard came out so nice. It must have been a good day in the design studio... Steve Edited January 16, 2023 by 58L-Y8 corrected syntax errors (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 (edited) I'm going to ignore the thread title and post this. A 1917 Pierce Arrow limousine body on a 1937 Packard chassis. Given to James Melton in 1950, delivered by the original chauffeur that drove it since 1917. Edited January 16, 2023 by 1937hd45 (see edit history) 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 2 hours ago, alsancle said: Or she was married to Abraham Lincoln. He would have driven a car that was named after him…….Lincoln. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsmoke Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Gee alsuncle, you said "Bohman and Schwartz gets a lot of crap from us but they did screw up and make some nice cars on occasion. This is a 39 Packard". Man I'm have a hard time liking anything about this frumpy lump. The fake padded top, the horribly integrated side-mounts, the bumper that doesn't relate to anything, the "stick-on" parking lights. the poor fit of front fender to running board...I could go on. Even the wide whites don't help. Likely a very nice car in the flesh, but for looks, not for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 On 1/14/2023 at 6:58 AM, 58L-Y8 said: Thanks A.J, I hadn't seen this one. Extinct but not forgotten. It will be a forever mystery who the designer was of this progressive masterwork. Bringing the image into immediacy. SOMEWHERE, there is a close-up photo of one of the multi-piece slatted running boards on this car. Was it on this Forum? Or in a magazine? Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 16, 2023 Author Share Posted January 16, 2023 10 hours ago, Gunsmoke said: Gee alsuncle, you said "Bohman and Schwartz gets a lot of crap from us but they did screw up and make some nice cars on occasion. This is a 39 Packard". Man I'm have a hard time liking anything about this frumpy lump. The fake padded top, the horribly integrated side-mounts, the bumper that doesn't relate to anything, the "stick-on" parking lights. the poor fit of front fender to running board...I could go on. Even the wide whites don't help. Likely a very nice car in the flesh, but for looks, not for me. Taking a second look you are not wrong. The sidemounts, bumpers, etc are factory Packard. But the padded top does look frumpy. I guess I'm comparing to other B&S offerings and thinking it doesn't look too bad. Part of me hates arm chair quarterbacking 80 years later. I know B&S was just trying to survive and would take whatever jobs they had to. The restorer's lament is that they did what the customer wanted, but the restoration is tagged with their name. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 16, 2023 Author Share Posted January 16, 2023 Duesenberg Model X with Brunn body. I like it. The door handles are a Brunn give away. Ed, who was the manufacturer and did anyone else uses them? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 16, 2023 Author Share Posted January 16, 2023 I assume we have already posted the Roadmasters? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 16, 2023 Author Share Posted January 16, 2023 Dietrich Chrysler. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 16, 2023 Author Share Posted January 16, 2023 I would like Walt to comment on Judkins. They made some nice coachwork, and I don't lump them in with Willoughby and Holbrook which were typically conservative always. This is a Packard 443 with Judkins body. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 16, 2023 Author Share Posted January 16, 2023 This is a Judkins bodied J8-90 Stearns Knight that we posted down in the Stearns thread. Not known to survive (there are only a dozen or so J8-90s of all bodies). Ed hates it but I would love to find it. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 16, 2023 Author Share Posted January 16, 2023 Murphy is in my list of coachbuilders that rarely missed. This is a Hudson with Murphy coachwork. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 16, 2023 Author Share Posted January 16, 2023 I searched to find a Willoughby body that I liked. A happy coincidence for Ed is it happens to be on a Pierce Arrow chassis. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 46 minutes ago, alsancle said: I searched to find a Willoughby body that I liked. A happy coincidence for Ed is it happens to be on a Pierce Arrow chassis. Willoughby did some nice work on Duesenberg chassis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 12 hours ago, Gunsmoke said: Gee alsuncle, you said "Bohman and Schwartz gets a lot of crap from us but they did screw up and make some nice cars on occasion. This is a 39 Packard". Man I'm have a hard time liking anything about this frumpy lump. The fake padded top, the horribly integrated side-mounts, the bumper that doesn't relate to anything, the "stick-on" parking lights. the poor fit of front fender to running board...I could go on. Even the wide whites don't help. Likely a very nice car in the flesh, but for looks, not for me. "Fake padded top"??? It looks like a real padded top to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 1 hour ago, alsancle said: Taking a second look you are not wrong. The sidemounts, bumpers, etc are factory Packard. But the padded top does look frumpy. I guess I'm comparing to other B&S offerings and thinking it doesn't look too bad. Part of me hates arm chair quarterbacking 80 years later. I know B&S was just trying to survive and would take whatever jobs they had to. The restorer's lament is that they did what the customer wanted, but the restoration is tagged with their name. There are possibly factory photos of this car, but I'm going to highly doubt it was originally delivered with the truck lights on the front, and I suspect the grille guard was added later, too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 1 hour ago, alsancle said: I assume we have already posted the Roadmasters? Or, as the title says, the Limiteds. Totally different car than the Roadmaster, although they did share the same engine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, alsancle said: Duesenberg Model X with Brunn body. I like it. The door handles are a Brunn give away. Ed, who was the manufacturer and did anyone else uses them? A company out of Syracuse who's name escapes me. The made stuff with two and three springs in the latch mechanism......which prevents drooping handles and such. Pierce used them on their special bodies from 1929-1934. Edited January 16, 2023 by edinmass (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 1 minute ago, edinmass said: A company out of Syracuse who's name escapes me. The made stuff with two and three springs in the latch mechanism......which prevents drooping handles and such. Pierce used them on their special bodies from 1929-1934. And Packard used them on their open 7-passenger touring cars from about 1928-1934 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCHinson Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Personally I think that Buick got it right in 1937 with the Century Model 61 Sedan... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Topic for another thread, INSIDE photos of the Custom Body shops showing the bodies under construction. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsmoke Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 I mentioned earlier the term "fake padded" top (WP said they are real, not fake, LOL), and it's a term I often use to refer to sedans/closed cars where a design decision is made to have them look like a convertible or cabriolet with it's top up (i.e. a fake), by adding a padded material, sometimes even with hints of fake bows etc. Many European convertibles in particular used padded convertible tops (Mercedes for example), likely insulated for all weather driving, and it seems many American designers liked the look of such cars, and thus added padded tops to create the impression of a convertible. This craze of course became the vogue again in the 60's and 70's, again only as a marketing gimmick. I've always hated anything fake, whether on a car (padded tops, portholes, non-functional vents etc), a house (fake shutters, fake bricks/stone, fake Greek columns, etc), no matter the make/model/year. Just my preference that "less is more". 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 16, 2023 Author Share Posted January 16, 2023 I posted the Springfield version of this. Here is the PII which sits a lot lower. Probably the best looking car in this thread as far as I'm concerned. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 16, 2023 Author Share Posted January 16, 2023 (edited) Same car with different colors and no wheel disks. I should go find this car. I'm wondering if it is a PI instead of a PII. Edited January 16, 2023 by alsancle (see edit history) 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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