38Buick 80C Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 (edited) No matter how many times I try and or curse at it my Mopar will not start when I depress the gas pedal..... I actually have to turn the key all the way to the right not just one click and then gas... I guess it's been a while since I drove it...but my Buicks don't mind Edited July 9, 2022 by 38Buick 80C (see edit history) 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 (edited) I have a client who just cannot for the life of him get used to the foot pedal starter on the Buick I sold him. He's so unhappy with it that he's probably going to return the car. He just can't grasp the turn the key THEN press the pedal. He turns the key and pumps the pedal and the car bucks and shudders and won't start because he's only engaging the starter for a split-second at a time. He hates it. I've tried talking him through it several times and he's convinced that it's just a bad car. Disappointing but when you spend your whole life starting a car with a key or a button, the accelerator thing just breaks the whole system. Edited July 9, 2022 by Matt Harwood (see edit history) 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Bruce aka First Born Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 17 minutes ago, Matt Harwood said: I have a client who just cannot for the life of him get used to the foot pedal starter on the Buick I sold him. He's so unhappy with it that he's probably going to return the car. He just can't grasp the turn the key THEN press the pedal. He turns the key and pumps the pedal and the car bucks and shudders and won't start because he's only engaging the starter for a split-second at a time. He hates it. I've tried talking him through it several times and he's convinced that it's just a bad car. Disappointing but when you spend your whole life starting a car with a key or a button, the accelerator thing just breaks the whole system. Install a push button for him! Ben 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUICK RACER Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 such a simple feat, a garage called my brother once in Flint, MI to find out how to start an old Buick, somehow, they thought he would know, and he did! Surprised they didn't call me first, though!!! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JohnD1956 Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 6 minutes ago, NTX5467 said: "All the way to the right" engages the starter. That first click is just "Run/On". With "All the way to the right", add 1/3 to 1/2 accel pedal movement and it all just happens, usually. NTX5467 I apoligize for being rude Willis, but I believe you missed the flavor of this thread. 😗😄 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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B Jake Moran Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 I’ve never had a Buick that old (that ran). You push the pedal to the floor to engage the starter. Does this ever cause flooding issues? Did Buick compensate for this possibility or am I overthinking it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Bruce aka First Born Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 Pushing to the floor was never needed. Usually only took about a 1/2 inch- to 1 inch movement of the pedal for the starter switch on the side of the carb to make contact. Think of the carburetor switch as a push button switch. Nothing magical! Ben 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmTee Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 I wonder who at Buick first thought of using the accelerator pedal to activate the starter and why... We had a '59 Apache stake truck when I was young that I drove in the fields. It had a separate starter pedal to the right of the accelerator. In that case, the pedal basically took the place of the solenoid and mechanically engaged the starter with the flywheel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRJBUICK Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 so this is my problem usually when moving/ organizing cars i drive or move my 57 or 60 turn the key on the dash and press the pedal (actually very easy and VERY COOL i might add) then i jump into my Reatta or 75 oh yes now i have to turn the key all the way and its not on the dash its on the column then i get into my daily driver (18 GMC Terrain) and just push the button, which is back on the dash and whats worse it doesnt have a shift knob it has push buttons on the dash (i really dont like this feature to unnatural) on any given weekend my life can be very complicated all in good fun but i do find myself sometimes looking confused lol Marty 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexRiv_63 Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 My 60 LeSabre is the first pedal start Buick I have owned and I absolutely love the feature. My other car is a Dodge, so far I have not mixed them up but I'm sure there will come a time... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmTee Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 4 hours ago, TexRiv_63 said: My other car is a Dodge, so far I have not mixed them up but I'm sure there will come a time... That's OK, it'll just think that you're setting the choke! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD1956 Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 13 hours ago, B Jake Moran said: I’ve never had a Buick that old (that ran). You push the pedal to the floor to engage the starter. Does this ever cause flooding issues? Did Buick compensate for this possibility or am I overthinking it? In the case of flooding one pins the gas pedal to the floor to unload the choke. If it doesn't start right away I would keep the pedal on the floor and simply turn the key off and on to run the starter without pumping the accelerator. 6 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibarlaw Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 I had never had an issue with my accelerator/starter set up in my 1937. Others I know in the club had an auxilliary dash starter button installed. One awkward situation was stalling the car on a hill. I did make sure the throttle knob on the dash was fully functional. Clutch in, foot brake on, pull the throttle knob out and reingage the starter. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxBuicks Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 On a similar note, I find it funny that after driving a standard shift car for a while, I tend to push in the non-existent clutch pedal of an automatic car when I first get in it. Or my hand reaches for a shifter knob when there is not one. Muscle memory is weird. 7 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD1956 Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 My 2013 Regal is an automatic with a dual gate shifter. In the alternate gate push forward for an upshift, pull backwards for a downshift. And I found myself pulling it back to hit 2nd and 4th gear and being surprised by the downshifts. Lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgreen Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 The brass era car guys haven’t chimed in with any comments yet. Then there’s the guy that bought the model T with the crank start that couldn’t figure out how to start the car after he pulled into the garage all the way up against the far wall. He couldn’t reach the crank anymore. That was 1935 and the car is still in that garage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Schramm Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 13 minutes ago, kgreen said: The brass era car guys haven’t chimed in with any comments yet. Then there’s the guy that bought the model T with the crank start that couldn’t figure out how to start the car after he pulled into the garage all the way up against the far wall. He couldn’t reach the crank anymore. That was 1935 and the car is still in that garage. Let me know where the car is. I think it would be interesting to talk to the owner. Also, what type of comments would you like from us brass guys? We could tell you all kinds of stories on how to start a brass & nickel era car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgreen Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 On 7/16/2022 at 8:34 AM, Larry Schramm said: Also, what type of comments would you like from us brass guys? We could tell you all kinds of stories on how to start a brass & nickel era car. Exactly, how many variations exist out there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Schramm Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, kgreen said: Exactly, how many variations exist out there? There are a number of nuances to starting different cars of the Brass & Nickel era without a starter, but the basics are: SET THE BRAKE & BE SURE THE VEHICLE IS IN NEUTRAL. Make sure the gas/fuel is on. 1. Turn the ignition/ power on. 2. RETARD THE TIMING completely 2a. RE-Check to be sure the timing is fully retarded 3. Add some throttle 4. Depending on temp & car pull the choke or not. 5. Grip the crank with your fingers/hand and your thumb pointing towards the car, not wrapped around the crank. 6. Pull up on the crank from about the 6:00 to about the 11:00 position releasing your hand. NEVER PUSH DOWN ON THE CRANK!! On almost all crank vehicles the rotation of the crank is clockwise. There are one or two that are counterclockwise but I do not remember which ones. If you try to start the car and the timing is not retarded, the crank can snap back you may become the recipient of a "Ford Fracture" otherwise known as a broken arm. https://raycityhistory.wordpress.com/2010/10/01/homer-clements-and-the-ford-fracture/ Remember that this is a simplified guide, but each vehicle may have it's own nuances. Edited July 17, 2022 by Larry Schramm (see edit history) 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 If the car is old... and cold... and has been sitting a while you can: 1) Do as @Larry Schramm says EXCEPT before trying to start make sure the ignition is OFF and the fuel is ON, open the primer cups, choke it. and crank the engine over a couple of revolutions. 2) Close primer cups, reset choke to wherever you would normally set it for the temperature, then pick back up on Larry's step one. This preloads the cylinders with air/fuel mixture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Schramm Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 43 minutes ago, Bloo said: If the car is old... and cold... and has been sitting a while you can: 1) Do as @Larry Schramm says EXCEPT before trying to start make sure the ignition is OFF and the fuel is ON, open the primer cups, choke it. and crank the engine over a couple of revolutions. 2) Close primer cups, reset choke to wherever you would normally set it for the temperature, then pick back up on Larry's step one. This preloads the cylinders with air/fuel mixture. Not all old cars have primer cups. In fact very few have primer cups. As for turning over the engine a couple of times before turning the ignition on to start the car that will generally work, but you run the chance that you might flood the engine. From my experience with my '15 Buick truck which is crank only, after sitting all winter long I follow the procedure that I outlined above and it will usually start on the 3rd or 4th try. That way I do not worry if I will flood the engine. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buick35 Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 I have two manual shift cars,my 35 Buick and my 74 MGB.Once after driving the MG for a few days I went to drive my Buick.I put it into what I thought was first year but it was really in reverse.Luckily nobody was behind me.My son likes the accelerator starter on the Buick and wondered if he could put one on his old Volkswagon. Many people are amazed at how the Buick starts.Most say I've never seen that before but then most people under 35 have never heard of an MG either. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NailheadBob Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 Growing up in Chicago area, we had a 1958 Buick Super, and on cold winter mornings my dad sometimes could not get the Buick Started, as he would flood the car from the starter not working properly, and he would keep pressing the gas pedal trying to start car, he would be so mad, then get into our Chevy and drive away to work. I never could understand why he just did not fix or replace the starter. Years later when found out how cars acted when starter drives would go bad, I thought all the car needed was a starter drive replacement, and problem would be solved. I still don't know why he never fixed that starter on that car. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted August 6, 2022 Author Share Posted August 6, 2022 (edited) Since I'm a perfect example do I have to go to Forum jail? Are there conjugal visits? Edited August 6, 2022 by 38Buick 80C (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old-tank Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 2 hours ago, 38Buick 80C said: Since I'm a perfect example do I have to go to Forum jail? Are there conjugal visits? We're gonna miss you... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTX5467 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 Maxwell Smart might ask . . . "Baited by your own bait"? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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