TexRiv_63 Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 I am dual posting this here and also under the general "What is it?" forum. I'm looking for information on this emblem and the car it represented. The Standard Catalog of American Cars says it was a 1920 export version of the Owen Magnetic, another source says it was sold in the US under that name after OM disappeared in 1921. No photos or other info have come up. The emblem is 1 5/8" by 2 13/16 with translucent red and white enamel, any information is appreciated. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMoneyPit Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 What does the back look like? I can’t answer your question but that will tell a lot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexRiv_63 Posted April 4, 2022 Author Share Posted April 4, 2022 Tha back is plain with no mount, I assume this is a reproduction but I would love to see if there ever was an original. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMoneyPit Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 I now feel confident that it’s a reproduction and likely one of Harry Pulfer’s creations. I am going to speculate that Harry Pulfer created this one as a “fantasy” by combining the name with the Chrysler emblem shown below. The similarities are too much to ignore, especially adding the thought that it doesn’t match the original OM emblem shape. Pulfer did use the trademark office database for many of his reproduction emblems and there may be a listing or sketch he used but I can’t find any references to that. An interesting item and I will do a little more digging today… http://www.americanautoemblems.com/search/label/CHRYSLER?m=0 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexRiv_63 Posted April 5, 2022 Author Share Posted April 5, 2022 5 hours ago, TheMoneyPit said: I now feel confident that it’s a reproduction and likely one of Harry Pulfer’s creations. I am going to speculate that Harry Pulfer created this one as a “fantasy” by combining the name with the Chrysler emblem shown below. The similarities are too much to ignore, especially adding the thought that it doesn’t match the original OM emblem shape. Pulfer did use the trademark office database for many of his reproduction emblems and there may be a listing or sketch he used but I can’t find any references to that. An interesting item and I will do a little more digging today… http://www.americanautoemblems.com/search/label/CHRYSLER?m=0 Were "fantasy" emblems a common reproduction thing for Harry? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMoneyPit Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 “Fantasy” I think covers some of his reproduction emblems. So many were based on the registered trademarks but then you find one that is of an automobile company that never progressed past the prototype stage leaving a single vehicle but also an emblem that does not match that vehicle nor much in the way of literature from it. The Airmobile matches that description perfectly. This came from the collection of an advanced collector who might have had a little dementia towards the end… We also see Pulfer emblems that are really good looking but may never have actually been used on a car, the Chalmers Six and Double Six coming to mind (from the book “American Automobile Trademarks 1900-1960” which was very selective in content). I don’t have one of these but have seen the reproductions available. All of this is speculation on my part, but here’s the only information I can find other than the one you have listed above. This reference seems less sure of it being an OM product directly, and you may be able to get better information from Mike and Murray Shears as my interest is specific to American cars only. Good Luck! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexRiv_63 Posted April 7, 2022 Author Share Posted April 7, 2022 #hanski shared this site on my duplicate post in the "What is it?" forum: SNAPSHOT 64: Crown Magnetic 1923 | (thesahb.com) This shows some fairly believeable information that the car and the name did in fact exist if only for 20 cars. The question remains is there any accuracy to the emblem - need some better photos of one of these cars, if any still exist. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Bond Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 (edited) Not able to answer the question but adding to the background, the late Bill Williams was a frequent traveler to the UK. He actually visited us when we lived in Scotland. His fascination with all things British was well known. He produced and "created" many emblems specifically for collectors. Lots of them were based on items seen on cars in museums, but also some for rare and unusual cars not in public captivity. The emblem in question may very well be one of his "creations" as has been suggested. Terry Edited April 7, 2022 by Terry Bond (see edit history) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMoneyPit Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 Tex, notice that the radiator on the Crown Magnetic on that article has a slightly V’d radiator just like the OM cars did. It’s more visible in the shadowing at the bottom. One of the dead giveaways of the Pulfer reproduction of the OM emblem is that it’s flat. It would not fit the radiator properly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanski Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 Here's some more info; note the rectangular emblem on RR -type radiator of Crown Magnetic photo. https://www.uniquecarsandparts.com/lost_marques_owen_magnetic.htm 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexRiv_63 Posted April 8, 2022 Author Share Posted April 8, 2022 4 hours ago, hanski said: Here's some more info; note the rectangular emblem on RR -type radiator of Crown Magnetic photo. https://www.uniquecarsandparts.com/lost_marques_owen_magnetic.htm Even more tantalizing, the right shape and flat mounting. If only one of these actually existed today... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Schramm Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 (edited) Easier to read. Edited April 10, 2022 by Larry Schramm (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexRiv_63 Posted April 12, 2022 Author Share Posted April 12, 2022 Thanks to all who responded to this. I was planning to resell it but with all the doubt involved I think I will keep it in my "fantasy" drawer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMoneyPit Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 I have one of those too… it’s not worth tarnishing a reputation by selling any! At some point I might want to create a display for educational purposes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealEllenSmith Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 it's too beautifu!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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