JRHaelig Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 Interesting article about the upcoming sale of Fangio's 300SL. It's a beautiful car in (Argentine) blue with white leather, and the provenance is amazing. Any guesses about the sale price? https://silodrome.com/juan-manuel-fangio-mercedes-benz-300-sl/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenie Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 Provenance minus condition = $1.65M 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadillac Fan Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 My guess is a minimum of $3 million. I could see as high as $5 million. Many in the F1 world will be interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 (edited) If I had the funds to buy it I'd rather spend the money on a MILLER anyone drove at INDY. Edited February 7, 2022 by 1937hd45 (see edit history) 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenie Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 Ok. Keep guessing. The closest to the pin gets free beer at Hershey from us losers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Str8-8-Dave Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 The master at work... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hidden_hunter Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 Cool car, but the 'celebrity factor' means nothing to me and isn't something I'd pay extra for Besides, it's not like it's the car he did his famous drives in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 $7 mil 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 My guess it will bring a ton of money and maybe end up in a collection in Philadelphia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAKerry Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 Beautiful car, but provenance means nothing to me, I have no idea whom this Juan is you speak of. May as well have been owned by Bob Smith as far as I know. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Hund Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 I am with West, but it may go higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 If you don’t know about Juan Manuel Fangio known as The Maestro. You’re missing out on understanding the purist natural talent of man against wheeled machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC38dls Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 (edited) George - he was good and I believe that will make West’s guess very close but Jackie Stewart would win a match race in equal cars. My guess is 7.2 million US $. dave s Edited February 7, 2022 by SC38dls (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 A 1.2 to 1.5 million dollar car without the celebrity owner. Since I thought the Tom Cruise Buick was worthless I'm the wrong guy to guess. But I would point out that it is not a Rudge wheel or disk brake car, so as far as being an SL Roadster it would be down the pecking order. I think the blue is nice if that is the factory color. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonMicheletti Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 Fangio? Nothing but 5 time world champion driver when racing was a very true blood sport (and still is). If you had seen him drive ( I have), you'd understand. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bryankazmer Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 3 hours ago, George K said: If you don’t know about Juan Manuel Fangio known as The Maestro. You’re missing out on understanding the purist natural talent of man against wheeled machine. winning his last championship at the Ring, running down the leading Ferraris with record laps - awesome stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1912Staver Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 Masterful driver. 90% of us would not be in the running even for a fix it upper 300 SL. Very interesting cars , but for very deep pockets only. This car being Fangio's personal car places it in a position well above nearly any other 300 SL. A very rarified market. I don't even watch this stuff anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud Tierney Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 There was a magazine that used to cower whe Euro circuit (Speed Age??)... Was it Fangio they used to describe as a winning driver but manhandling cars around the course by brute strength, or was that someone else?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsmoke Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 “Driving fast on the track does not scare me. What scares me is when I drive on the highway I get passed by some idiot who thinks he is Fangio.” – Juan Manuel Fangio. Obviously a guy with a good sense of humor as well, I've known about his racing success for decades, and from a time when many equally well known and accomplished drivers were racing, Moss just to name one. In any open bidding sale, final price is driven by 2 factors: the rarity/desirability/condition of the car including it's provenance, and secondly, how many "buyers/collectors" show up to fill their bucket list. You only need 2 parties seeing this as their "holy grail" to have the price go to $20M. We will know in a month or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 (edited) Will it bring more than the Hirohata Mercury, a car more people can relate to? Edited February 7, 2022 by 1937hd45 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadillac Fan Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, 1937hd45 said: Will it bring more than the Hirohata Mercury, a car more people can relate to? Yes. A 50s lead sled has an aging audience in the US. This has a world wide audience. Edited February 7, 2022 by Cadillac Fan (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 Fangio was a Mercedes dealer in Argentina starting In 1951. I’m sure he ordered the car he wanted. The guy drove so effortlessly it was amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsmoke Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 "Will it bring more than the Hirohata Mercury, a car more people can relate to?" someone remarked. Seems sacrilegious to put the Mercillac and Fangio's car in same topic, especially on AACA. Like drawing comparisons between the Monkeymobile and a 65 Shelby Cobra. One is a bad joke and the other a phenomenal car. As I understand the HiMec, the Barris Brothers tried every customizing trick in the book being used in those days (chop, lower, french, stick on parts from other makes, tuck, pleat, and roll, pin stripe and other sorts of cosmetics, Caddy engine)to turn an already nice body style (50's era Merc's were already very popular) into a one-off car that is likely a pain to drive (cut coil springs in half to lower, flattened leaf springs etc). So the new buyer has a $2M Heinz that will likely sell for 1/2 of what he paid next time on the block, and that's only if he never drives it or mars it's current condition. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesR Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 Hey. I like the Monkeemobile. Or should I say, "Hey! Hey!" I like the Monkeemobile. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maok Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 No idea how much, but will it be the first convertible 300SL to out price a gullwing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gossp Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 I am going to give a wild guess for the sake of wild guesses, because I have no knowledge and limited interest in a car like this… but beer at Hershey was mentioned and that interest me: 4.75 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 What impresses me was watching the Olympics last night. Downhill skiers hitting 86 mph on skies with no brakes. Now that's racing. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 One of 1,858 built, if nobody told you who owned and drove it how would it differ from the rest? Bob 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadillac Fan Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 18 minutes ago, 1937hd45 said: One of 1,858 built, if nobody told you who owned and drove it how would it differ from the rest? Bob We get it. Your not bidding. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 1 hour ago, 1937hd45 said: One of 1,858 built, if nobody told you who owned and drove it how would it differ from the rest? Bob In this case, it's not the car being sold, it's the history. As Cadillac Fan said, we get it. You're not in. A lot of 300SLs have some pretty good history, but this one is probably on the top of the pyramid. Also, as others mentioned, it will indeed bring more than any gullwing, even an aluminum one. As far as the "history" not adding any value, I seriously doubt anyone truly believes that. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1912Staver Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 In vintage race cars, the history can significantly influence the market value. A Lotus race car with even a bit of Jim Clark ; or any one of the other first rank drivers of the day, seat time will be quite a bit more valuable than a similar car that was a customer car and driven by a average driver with few or no significant placings. If it is a car that won a significant race or series, the sky can be the limit compared to ordinary history, customer cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillinMd Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 Anyone want to guess what Hamilton's Pagani Zonda went for? Hint: West's guess for Fangio's car is close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 I guess I'm in the minority where celebrity ownership of a common car doesn't elevate that car to stratospheric heights for me. Bob has a point, when your 4.5 million dollar 300SL is sitting in your garage, you need a big sign to explain how it is different from a run of the mill early 300SL roadster. RM knows what they are doing, so I assume there will plenty of period pictures of Fangio sitting in it. There doesn't seem to be any right now. Juxtapose this car against the Caracciola 500K which was also a gift to the greatest racer of his time from Damilar Benz. That car is a one off and instantly recognizable for what it is. I would expect this car to bring stupid money. It doesn't need a sign next to it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 On 2/7/2022 at 7:11 AM, West Peterson said: $7 mil West.....you hit the seven not the two.......... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 37 minutes ago, edinmass said: West.....you hit the seven not the two.......... That rumor that Jimmy Stewart used the car in a movie may be true. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadillac Fan Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 (edited) I don’t get paying $100 million plus for a Damien Hirst skull. I don’t get paying $2 million for a lead sled by some backyard customizers. I don’t get paying $2 million for a dead actor’s 930 turbo. But I know there are those that think these things are worth more than the sum of their parts. Is there a difference between the v16 Cadillac with the reproduction roadster body and a factory v16 roadster? To most everyone they are the same car. But the history of the factory bodied car adds value. That is the case here. The history of ownership adds value. F1 has a world wide audience and is growing. Plus the world is awash with money. I don’t think it will be stratospheric, but 3-5 times what a similar one would go for. And less than an alloy gullwing. It will certainly be less that the $30 million paid, 9 years ago, for the Mercedes w196, a car he won the championship in (1954). My guess is that it ends up in Canada next to a 275 NART. Edited February 9, 2022 by Cadillac Fan (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlLaFong Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 What am I bid for JON Voight's Le Baron? 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC38dls Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 Hagerty just sent this out in their DIALY DRIVER - here is part of their story dave s RM Sotheby’s is only providing an estimate upon request, so we polled our valuation experts here in the U.S. to give us a range. Their conclusion? This car has a solid shot at the 300 SL record. The current high water-mark is $3,685,369, set in 2018 by a 1963 Roadster sold via Artcurial. We’d put this 1958 example between $3M and $4M, and Fangio’s ownership will weigh heavily. This 1951 Alfa Romeo 1900 Sprint, the last ex-Fangio road car we saw appear at auction, sold for $616,000 in 2018, or or 2.1 times the model’s #1 (Concours) condition value at the time ($294,000). Applying that same arithmetic to Fangio’s 300 SL in 2021, we get $3.57M, just shy of the record. However, the market has changed since 2018, and the 300 SL has only become more collectible since. We’d estimate that Fangio’s SL sells between $3M and $4M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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