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Looking at Facebook marketplace this morning with coffee and this Speedometer was listed from a Make I'd never heard of.  The Jones Motor Car Company.  A neat piece if you have a Jones or any family connection to the Make.  I did some quick reading.  Seems like a nice upper mid priced offering, 118 inch wheelbase, Lycoming 6 cyl engine.  It says 4,000 cars were built over 6 years in Wichita Kansas.  Anybody a Follower of this Make?

 

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Jones

Copied from the 1915 Motor Age Magazine

Announcement of a new car comes from Wichita, Kan., in the form of the Jones Six, the product of the Jones Motor Car Co. The car is assembled from standard parts. The new car appears as a five-passenger, six-cylinder touring car of 118-inch wheel- base at $1,150. The motor is built by the Lycoming Foundry & Machine Co., and has T-head cylinders, 31/2 by 41/4.  The gearset is a four-speed selective type bolted directly to the motor, and is a part of the unit power plant. Final drive is through a single universal, inclosed in a torque tube, the drive taken through three-quarter elliptic springs. Tires are 34 by 5, and equipment includes Q. D. demountable rims with a spare on the rear. Starting and lighting is provided by a Leece-Neville system

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1915 Jones Touring Automobile

Before this Jones model was put into production, there were twelve former companies that had been named Jones. But John J. Jones was different. He was an Iowa farm boy who worked in oil fields until he had enough money to buy a furniture store in Witicha, KS.  From there, he opened the Jones-Sparks Auto Exchange who were used car dealers. Then he became a Model T Ford dealer. He made over $125,000 by selling the Ford cars. Then, he decided to go one step further and make his own automobiles.

With the help of his former mechanic, Carl Evans,who helped him in the restorations of the used cars, they cme up with a medium-priced car that he was sure to be a very good seller. He invested most of the money that was necessary to get started. He established his Jones Motor Car Company in 1914. His car proved to be very successful and monyed men became interested and the firm was capitalized at $500,000 in 1915, production began. The capitalization fund was increased to $2,500,000 in 1917. 4,000 Jones cars were sold in the first six years. By this time he was also building the Jones Truck and his employees were over 900. His sales were world wide. But in 1920, the unexpected happened. It was a disastrous fire that demolished  two of his buildings and his automobile inventory. One week later, he resumed his business, but the fire and the post war recession killed the Jones automobile.

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The Jones speedometer and the Jones car are unrelated. Two different companies. I don't know what make of speedometer was supplied with the Jones automobile, but the one shown in your post is much older than the car.  It's for a brass Era vehicle. 

Terry

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1 hour ago, John Bloom said:

Anybody a Follower of this Make?

Yes.  Interestingly, there was a Mr. and Mrs. Jones

who took their Jones cars to Hershey, probably in

the mid- to late 1990's, when the car show

was still in the stadium's parking lot.  I remember they

had two different Joneses, both brightly painted,

one in orange, which was evidently correct from the

Jones factory.

 

I don't know where those people or their cars are now.

There's seemingly a specialist for even the most obscure

items! 

 

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10 hours ago, John Bloom said:

 I will settle in tonight when I have more time and research Jones speedometer‘s and see what makes used them.

Pre-GM Oldsmobiles used them for one.

 

And I have seen them in other makes of cars.

 

Simply change the title of this post, and delete the Jones Motor Car information, or start another thread for the car manufacturer of the same name.

 

Craig

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2 minutes ago, John Bloom said:

Since the speedometer and the make of that car are unrelated, maybe I should Shut this thread down, or change the title of it......” keeping up with the Jone’s”...?

There's no need to change the title.  We may

find out interesting things about the Jones cars,

and where they are today.

 

By the way, an English noun is NEVER made plural

with an apostrophe, so the plural is "Joneses."

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1 minute ago, John_S_in_Penna said:

 

 

By the way, an English noun is NEVER made plural

with an apostrophe, so the plural is "Joneses."

Thanks, at some level I think I know The difference between plural and possessive, but English is not my strong suit. I stayed out of those literature and English hallways in high school and college and hung out with the nerds in the math hallways.   Thrilled when I was forced to take an English class and got a C in it.

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16 minutes ago, John_S_in_Penna said:

Yes.  Interestingly, there was a Mr. and Mr. Jones

who took their Jones cars to Hershey, probably in

the mid- to late 1990's, when the car show

was still in the stadium's parking lot.  I remember they

had two different Joneses, both brightly painted,

one in orange, which was evidently correct from the

Jones factory.

 

I don't know where those people or their cars are now.

There's seemingly a specialist for even the most obscure

items! 

 

The Joneses showed five of their cars, each painted a different color, at one of the Tennessee Nationals a few years ago. I don't remember, but I think they've collected all known Joneses.

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2 hours ago, John Bloom said:

Interesting Terry. That is why I love this site. Always an education.   I will settle in tonight when I have more time and research Jones speedometer‘s and see what makes used them.

  

  From the early 1980's thru my retirement from Great American Racing in 2001, most    

  competitive racers  in the Championship Class used a Jones Speedometer.  Many in the 

  Sportsman & Rookie Classes also switched to Jones when they discoverd how competitive

  the event was.

  It was made form a gear driven Jones Lathe Tachometer with a self calibrated speedometer  

  face.  Early car speedometers used a fly ball spring in their original speedometer that was not 

  consistent in high heat.

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1907148958_Jonesautomobile.jpg.9fc21b739f21ba4c2fb5aab11b6c41c0.jpgI remember talking with them years ago.  At that time they were attempting to restore the remains of the last Jones they had originally acquired as a parts donor for the other cars.  I was actually able to help them with a few pieces for the top.  The cars were all painted in bright colors-which I understand was correct.  I am not sure what became of them but I seem to recall one of the cars was sold at auction several years ago.  Perhaps others can provide more info on what became of Bob Jones, his wife and the cars.  The were proud to have all of them known to exist though.  Bob was from Mt. Juliet TN and owned a development company there.

Here is an older photo of Bob with his 1918 Jones.

Terry

 

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Regarding the Jones speedometer, here is a neat related item that could be mounted on a car-just in case.

Terry

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6 minutes ago, Terry Bond said:

Regarding the Jones speedometer, here is a neat related item that could be mounted on a car-just in case.

Terry

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Terry, that is awesome. It seems like a poor strategy to insult the police officer and say he’s guessing but maybe it would work.

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23 minutes ago, Terry Bond said:

1907148958_Jonesautomobile.jpg.9fc21b739f21ba4c2fb5aab11b6c41c0.jpgI remember talking with them years ago.  At that time they were attempting to restore the remains of the last Jones they had originally acquired as a parts donor for the other cars.  I was actually able to help them with a few pieces for the top.  The cars were all painted in bright colors-which I understand was correct.  I am not sure what became of them but I seem to recall one of the cars was sold at auction several years ago.  Perhaps others can provide more info on what became of Bob Jones, his wife and the cars.  The were proud to have all of them known to exist though.  Bob was from Mt. Juliet TN and owned a development company there.

Here is an older photo of Bob with his 1918 Jones.

Terry

 

He's still an AACA member.

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What's a "certified" speedometer?

Terry

 

1 minute ago, 8E45E said:

I wonder if Jones ever started to make "Certified" speedometers.

 

Craig

 

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5 hours ago, Terry Bond said:

What's a "certified" speedometer?

Terry

 

 

See Post #27 here-------->  https://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/forum/your-studebaker-forum/general-studebaker-specific-discussion/51412-more-marshal-dig-out/page2

 

and Posts #46 & #48 herre------->  https://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/forum/your-studebaker-forum/general-studebaker-specific-discussion/115092-1961-lark-marshal-what-we-are-learning/page4

 

Third photo in first post here---->  Urban Exploration: Interesting '63 Lark Police Car - Studebaker Drivers Club Forum

 

The factory attachment in the last post here below:

 

Craig

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58 minutes ago, Terry Bond said:

What's a "certified" speedometer?

Terry

 

 

Terry,

 

Even up to the end of production the Crown Vic's still had them:

 

Image 1 - 2008 Ford Crown Victoria Certified Speedometer Gauge Cluster 8W73-10849-CA & CB

I believe that it was a hold over from the days when an officer could "pace" another car to determine the speed.  I'm not sure if there's anywhere that still does that or that it is allowed in court but there are some interesting laws out there on what is and is not permissible.  

 

Don  

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OK, now I understand what you are talking about. There are quite a few years difference between the more modern "certified" speedometer used in police cars and the brass Era Jones speedometer though. Don't know who"certified" then or how their accuracy was determined, but the U.S Bureau of Standards did test a couple of models of the Jones speedometer in 1911 and found them to be very accurate. Those test results were used in their advertising. Jones company was sold to Stewart Warner in 1924.  

Terry

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There is a 1916 Jones IV on the 4th floor of the Wichita-Sedgwick County Historical Museum. It's my favorite exhibit there, installed in what is supposed to be a period garage. The dirt floor is soaked in old oil, and it smells just like my grandfathers old farm shop...

 

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