Ed Luddy Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 M 20 Muncie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAV8427 Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 I have some Cheverolet parts books that cover 64-72. I dont have a full set. May or may not have trans related stuff. Will dig them out and take a look over the next couple days. Will report back if I find anything. Thanks. Doug 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Smolinski Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 It is truly amazing how much response & interest a shifter can generate. I love it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Smolinski Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 It is truly amazing how much response & interest a shifter can generate. I love it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Luddy Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60FlatTop Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 Didn't the Saginaw unit have the name engraved on the transmission arms so you could read them when you parked one rear wheel on the curb to crawlunder and pull it back into neutral? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe_padavano Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Ed Luddy said: Unfortunately, that is not even close to the correct shift lever. The two bolt pattern at the base of this lever is designed to bolt to an aftermarket Hurst shifter. The correct original Muncie shift lever bolted to a Muncie-sourced shifter. This is a photo of a 1966 Muncie shifter and stick. Note the completely different bolt-on attachment. The 1969 used the same Muncie shifter mechanism, but with a flat stick that looked like this. And for reference, the aftermarket stick with the two holes in line bolts to an aftermarket Hurst shifter that looks like this. It's a better shifter, but it would not be correct for the OP's car. Edited October 16, 2021 by joe_padavano (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAKerry Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 Good info Joe. I have a BW T10, it looks identical to the Muncie pictured above. Mine has the 2 flat mounting bolts and its a Hurst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Luddy Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Yes the photo is of a repro Muncie stamped shifter being adapted for a Hurst linkage. BUT it shows clearly what is a factory installed "Muncie" unit looks like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Luddy Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 I'd send a picture of my current 1970 Chevelle but it isn't a 4 speed M20. I grew up driving this era cars and know them fairly well. My 1970 Nova SS 350 had this same shifter. My buddy's 69 SS396 Chevelle bench car had this shifter. As well as the afor mentioned 1970 Chevelle Malibu 350. This is a very common shifter. Not hard to authenicate! We are talking mass produced Chevy's NOT hand fabbed Euro exotics! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John348 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 (edited) It is Group 4.006 my newest parts book goes up to 1966 and it designates a "lever" for muncie four speed ss and muncie transmission, which would be a bench seat. they call it a lever, there is also another lever listed. there is the answer to the question if it ever comes up again.. Just need it from the correct year parts book. Edited October 17, 2021 by John348 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary V Posted October 17, 2021 Author Share Posted October 17, 2021 On 10/16/2021 at 9:22 AM, TAKerry said: Id like to see pics of the car, or it didnt happen. LOL. Some shots before loading up for Saratoga Nationals in June 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Very nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John348 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, GregLaR said: Very nice. I second that, I was there but we split after judging so I did not look around too much Edited October 18, 2021 by John348 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAKerry Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Beautiful car. I have a 66 convert. that will be my next project. Hopefully will be starting on it this winter. I did find a part number for a muncie shifter. 3973864 I read that some did and some did not have part no.s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAV8427 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 What I found. 1972 Cheverolet parts book shows handle #3924422 for 4spd exc. B. S. Book does not show diagram of either 68 or 69 Chevelle/Malibu w/4spd except back drive linkage. And no real pic of Muncie on handle. FWIW. Same part number handle is listed for 68 396 3spd. There too,only 69 diagram shows back drive only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John348 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 (edited) What about a shop manual? I would think there would be a photo or mention of application in there Edited October 18, 2021 by John348 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAV8427 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 (edited) List of all 4spds related to 69 Chevelle. Edited October 18, 2021 by PAV8427 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary V Posted October 18, 2021 Author Share Posted October 18, 2021 (edited) Joh348: My shop manual is offsite. I will check that this week, thanks for the suggestion ! PAV8427: Thanks. Those listings at least establish that Muncie was a transmission option. I would like to believe that would be sufficient to a judge that the shift lever was part of the RPO (option). I'm also wondering if the following would satisfy any future judges questions: 1) I have my original warranty Protect-O-Plate. On it is imprinted, among other items, the owners name and address (us) and vehicle VIN and the code for transmission installed at the factory. In this case, the code is "P9D19". 2) On Page 6, General-3 of the "gm-heritage-archive/vehicle-information-kits/Chevelle/1969-Chevrolet-Chevelle.pdf" document from the GM Heritage Center website (which is a GM site, therefore "factory"), is the following breakdown of the "Serial Number and Identification" of transmissions: Source Designation P = Muncie Model Year 9 = 1969 Production Month D = April Production Day 19 = 19 So this would confirm, with two sources of factory documentation, that a Muncie was installed in my car from the factory. I have an original Chevelle sales catalog with a grainy photo of the shift lever, where the engraving is just about impossible to discern, unless you know what you're looking for. I'd like to think these two items would satisfy a judge questioning the shifter. Gary Edited October 18, 2021 by Gary V (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elcamino72 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 (edited) Find a copy of this brochure. The picture on pg. 19 should suffice. http://wildaboutcarsonline.com/members/AardvarkPublisherAttachments/9990410069753/1969_Chevelle_Brochure_1-20.pdf Edited October 18, 2021 by elcamino72 (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary V Posted October 18, 2021 Author Share Posted October 18, 2021 7 minutes ago, elcamino72 said: Find a copy of this brochure. The picture on pg. 19 should suffice. http://wildaboutcarsonline.com/members/AardvarkPublisherAttachments/9990410069753/1969_Chevelle_Brochure_1-20.pdf Yes, thanks. That is the sales catalog with the grainy photo I mentioned. I have an original, but still hard to make out the engraving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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