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Do you know how to connect my new power antenna on my existing wiring power antenn system please ?

 

> I have 2 pins on my car , a pink and a black.

 

When i connect the pink wire to the 2 antenn wires and i push on switch lower , the anten goes up

 

when i connect the black wire to the same 2 antenn wires and i push on switch upper,   the anten goes up ALSO !

 

Can you help me please ?

 

I have joined a diagram.

 

Thank you very much  !

Philip

 

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Each of the two wires is providing 12 volts to the antenna motor. Black to black and pink to pink. The antenna motor’s case is the ground.  12 volts goes into the switch under the dash. In one position, the switch sends 12 volts to the motor through one wire to raise the antenna; then in the other position, the switch send 12 volts to the motor through the other wire to lower the antenna. Make sure the motor is bolted tightly to the bracket and that the bracket has a good connection to the fender. Do not connect two wires to one wire as you described. 

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OK THANK YOU for this answer !

 

But

i have 3 wires on my new power antenna

1 red +

1 blue for signal autoradio

and the ground

 

so HOW to connect ?

red to pink

blue to black

ground to ground

??

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If you’re not talking about a factory antenna, I can’t be of any further help.  What do the instructions that came with the antenna say?

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The original had only two wires; one to raise the antenna, one to lower it. It is grounded through the body of the motor.  Anytime you add something aftermarket, you have to rely on the instructions supplied and your own knowledge of auto electrical systems.

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here this diagram electric for power anten with 2 wires or 3 wires as the riviera

 

there are 2 relays

 

on the new power antenna (as you can buy on the internet) you just have to find the 2 wires that feed the motor of the new  power antenna  + and - and you don't use the wire of autoradio signal

 

I’ve got you now later  if the diagram is good ;)

 

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Adding to Ed information......... on '60's-'70's GM power antenna.... the case/motor housing must have good ground. 

The connector will have two wires and the colors vary.    Easy test, use a jumper from the battery to the connector.

Touch one terminal of the connector and you will determine if that is the UP or DOWN wire. 

Same sort of test can be done on the wires coming from the dash antenna switch.   With a helper and a test light or meter,

have someone move the switch to UP and by probing the wires you can determine which wire is hot and would be the UP wire. 

 

In the post above.... that is a newer wiring arrangement.... probably because all the new stuff is plastic housing, it does no good to ground the motor housing, so they must put a ground wire in the system.     This one uses two relays to control the motor and rotation. 

GM Delco power antenna after 1980 used one relay and those can be adapted to be used in the 60-70 cars.   I am not home where

I can look at my technical information but if anyone is interested,  send me a note and I will get back to you when I am home. 

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I have not seen a '60's GM power antenna with 3 wires in the US.

Can you post a good clear picture of the antenna.   I would like to see if I can identify the brand. 

I suspect you have a new Chinese made replacement antenna that is a universal replacement part. 

 

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Barney, I think that he's assuming that the ground indicator symbol represents a wire rather than indicating that the case is grounded by being bolted to a part of the chassis.

 

Cquisuila, there is no color identified for a third wire  nor is there any kind of connector illustrated. You have to assume that the illustration is showing the motor bolted to the chassis and that creates a ground.  

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After looking at the wiring on the antenna you are trying to install, I think that the antenna is designed to be plugged into a radio that has built in antenna controls within the radio.   You turn the radio on, the antenna goes up. You turn the radio off, the antenna goes down. It is not designed to be operated with a manual switch.  One red wire to a 12 volt power supply. The yellow wire to the correct pin within the radio, and the black wire to a ground.  I don't think it will ever work properly wired into a manual switch without some auxiliary wiring.  I'd take it to a specialty radio installation shop if it were mine.

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 cquisuila     Yes  Rivnut---Ed is correct here, about  twenty years ago ,i purchase  a couple

of 1990s  Buick park avenue  antennas from a wreaker  in Sacramento,  still have them, nice working 

antennas ,but as Ed says that happened to me, only will work on modern radio with  through ignition

switch---,i tryed all  ways---but gave  up ,went to a auto electrician  he could not get it to work.

 could get it to work  with manual  toggle switch, but the problem was  they would only go all the way up

or all the way down,---would not stop half way.-----On these  one orange wire to positive to go down.

and  both orange and pink together to go up.---black to ground.---yours will be the same-regards. 

 

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1960 and '70 power antenna in GM cars should look similar to this.... metal motor housing about the size of a soup can. 

 

Around 1980 GM started using Delco Slimline power antenna that have a plastic housing and have 3 wires...  there will be a relay in the wiring somewhere, 

it might be under the dash, on the firewall or on rear mount cars it is on the mast.      I am also including the wiring diagram for the 3 wire system with the relay.  

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There was also an odd-ball antenna (Delco) used on some GM cars between 1977 - 79 (last picture) it has a cast gear housing, plastic cover and 

the motor is attached to the casting, not always parallel to the mast as shown in the picture.   These have a non-adjustable clutch, if the clutch is too loose 

there is now way to adjust it.  It may just slip and not raise or lower the antenna. 

 

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Hello

 

I have the old broken  antenna with 2 wires in my riviera 1966

 

I am also in discussion with a person experimented in auto electricity and we think we can use the toggle switch of my buick with my new 3-wire antenna with 2 relays!

 

when the editing will be effective I will put the image of the editing on

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Looks like you are over thinking the schematic

Using the GM antenna relay, a single ON/OFF switch should work. 

Run a hot at all time wire with fuse to position "4" of the relay.   That will lower the antenna when no power is going to terminal "6"

From the switch run a wire to position "6" of the relay...that picks the relay which reverses the polarity and the antenna will go UP....  If you are using a Delco Slimline antenna, the motor will automatically stop when the mast is fully extended and open the connection...no current is drawn.   When you turn the switch OFF the relay is no longer picked the polarity is reversed and the antenna will go DOWN.

 

NOTE  the wiring information that was on this post earlier was incorrect and I changed it to the above.

 

Not just any relay will work.....it needs to be one that was used by GM on the 3 wire antenna.   I have a pile of them,  free you just pay shipping.

Also I did some modeling on a late GM style antenna so it could be used on the 63-65 Riviera and use the original fender mount

chrome hardware.   I stopped because there did not seem to be any interest.

 

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The way Barney describes the up / down action of holding the switch until you achieve the position desired is exactly the way the original switch operated the OEM antenna.

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hello

thank you for your complet answer !

 

the figure 9-5  shows a diagram with an autoradio connecting

this schema is valid for an OLD antenna or reverse the polarity for the descent
It is nothing to do with a modern antenna 3 wires (1+, 1-, 1 from the signal autoradio ) that works by maintaining a positive voltage on the green wire mounted and voltage breaking on the green wire down
it a friend who told this
in my buick 1966 , the 2 wires black and white come from the touch switch as the picture and not from the autoradioswitch antenna.jpg
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My post on Tuesday is INCORRECT......

I corrected/changed the info in that post.... please reread the Tuesday post. 

I am not home where I can get into my reference material and post a sketch of my wiring idea 

 

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