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I am in the middle of ground up restoration of a 1923 Dodge Roadster, and I've hit a bump in the road. The 4 cylinder engine presently in the car was disassembled, and the lower end completely rebuilt in, about;1976. A new head was ordered and provided with the car. But, the gent who began the restoration was distracted by other life tasks,and the engine was never completely reassembled. While I can turn it a full rotation with the hand crank, I have been unable to get the engine to turn a full revolution with the starter and I had feared a warped block. I determined that the seizing problem was caused by a badly warped and leaking valve, and following up on that, discovered that none of the valves have been adjusted. When I removed the valve spring covers to to change the bad valve and lap and adjust all other valves, I found what may be cracks at the point the cylinder jug attaches to the block inside the engine. In anticipation of this block being warped and cracked, I have searched out and found what seems like a fair deal on a engine and transmission assembly for sale at $200.00. The problem is that the sale of this engine is advertised as a pick up at P.O.S, with no provisions for delivery. I am new to this sort of thing and I need the advise of someone who does this regularly to prevent time consuming and costly mistakes. I am located in Tacoma, Washington and the engine is being sold in Wisconsin. Is it a reasonable gamble, at $200.00, for a 1920's Dodge four cylinder engine, they say has compression, and turns freely, and a transmission, condition unknown, to pay for pick up in Wisconsin, and delivery in Washington State.?

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2 minutes ago, pontiac1953 said:

try fastenal for shipping what fits on a wood pallet.

 

I just sold an engine a few months ago and used Fastenal. I had shipped a four cylinder Chevrolet Cosworth engine from Long Island NY to Springfield IL The buyer paid and it was around $250. The key things I remembered is not all Fastenal's are set up for shipping, and they were pretty specific that the shipper had to come up with the actual weight. It took a few weeks. The problem I see is that you are going to need the seller to get on a pallet and deliver it to Fastenal.  Fastenal was the cheapest by far. I was motivated so I did not mind doing the extra work

Good luck

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 Thanks to both of you for your quick reply. I will telephone the person who has the engine tomorrow morning and check on whether or not they will coordinate shipping. The engine has been sold and then declined twice, so maybe they will work with me on the arrangements to ship it. I will call Fastenal tomorrow morning and see what they estimate the cost of having the engine shipped. Actually, if the total cost of this endeavor is less than $600.00 I will feel like a winner. Is the Fastenal you've mentioned the same company which sells fastenars, such as bolts?   

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2 minutes ago, Jack Bennett said:

same company which sells fastenars, such as bolts?   

 yes it is, better off calling, then to use their website the website seemed to be set up for corporate accounts 

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I recently shipped a large crate by Fasten-all from Florida to Minnasoda. It was about 15 percent of the cost of Fedex ground. Got there fine........about as fast as Fedex. Just be sure to crate it or place it on a pallet that is idiot proof. It’s worth the effort.

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Lots of good advice on shipping but how do you get it picked up at the seller and transported to Fastenal.  
Maybe a long shot but around here several of the towing companies are car guys. Maybe if you checked some in the area and explained your situation they would be happy to pick up, place on a pallet, and drop off for a price.

I had a company move a large lathe for me a few years ago for a good price.

greg

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It is the sellers responsibility to get the item on a pallet and secured (banded or strapped). Use a large enough pallet so that nothing is hanging over the edge! LARGE is better in this case. I have found that you call an eight hundred number and speak with a shipping “specialist” and they give you the rates. You will need to know weight, dimensions (W X H X L) of the item and pick up and destination store location. They do not pick up or deliver. You have to pick it up at a store close to you. I have used them in the past and worked well. 

 

Not the most convenient way to ship however it is considerably less than a common carrier. If you know someone that ships/receives LTL freight and uses someone like ABF, Old Dominion, YRC, etc., and would work with you that would be a viable option. And most of these folks will pick up and deliver, FOR A FEE! The key there is that someone has to have an account with the shipper! As a consumer with out an account you will think you are buying the company when you get the quote.

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3 hours ago, kuhner said:

Lots of good advice on shipping but how do you get it picked up at the seller and transported to Fastenal.  
Maybe a long shot but around here several of the towing companies are car guys. Maybe if you checked some in the area and explained your situation they would be happy to pick up, place on a pallet, and drop off for a price.

I had a company move a large lathe for me a few years ago for a good price.

greg

Greg, I do appreciate your quick and thoughtful response. That is a great idea, and I do have a friend who owns a major towing company in Tacoma. I’ll talk to him today and he may give me some help there.

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1 hour ago, Steven Meixner said:

Jack Bennett, waiting for your phone call. Steve 

Hi Steve. I am trying to decide how I want to handle this thing without turning a hobby into a full time occupation. The engine in the Dodge has all new parts, and appears to be perfect in most ways. However, as I’ve said, the engine seems to be binding at the top of the cylinder no.1 compression stroke, and the intake valve stem on no. 2 cylinder is bent. I have found what appears to be stress cracks at the bottoms of the number 1 and 2 cylinder jugs. I have talked to a friend here and he suggests I have the block checked for warpage, and if OK, have it magnafluxed before I trash it.

I have lapped the valve, straightened the stem and moved it from number 2 to number 1 cylinder to check the seal on a different seat. I need to go to Gig Harbor sometime during the next couple of days to get a new head gasket and be prepared to reinstall the head if my friend’s checks are OK. I was truly amazed to find a complete power train, with a radiator, such as you have, and I had actually expected to have completed checking my engine during the search. Saying that, I ask that you give me another week to make sure my engine is bad, and make sure I need another complete engine.

Just a tidbit......the Dodge Roadster I’m restoring is considered to be a “rare” car, and that may be because, either the model didn’t sell well, or they just were not worth keeping. But, the engine, alone, is worth more than $200.00, and the North Eastern Starter-Generator should go for a tidy bit if for nothing other than parts. I would have a rental truck in your driveway if you were within a reasonable driving distance to Tacoma, and wonder what I’d do with your engine after I got it. But, with the shipping and all the involvement of getting it here, I’d rather use a bit of caution and make sure I need it for my car. If you have a chance to sell it in the interim, feel free to do so and I will get back with you in about a week. Thanks for your input.

Jack

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On 1/31/2021 at 11:34 PM, Jack Bennett said:

I am in the middle of ground up restoration of a 1923 Dodge Roadster, and I've hit a bump in the road. The 4 cylinder engine presently in the car was disassembled, and the lower end completely rebuilt in, about;1976. A new head was ordered and provided with the car. But, the gent who began the restoration was distracted by other life tasks,and the engine was never completely reassembled. While I can turn it a full rotation with the hand crank, I have been unable to get the engine to turn a full revolution with the starter and I had feared a warped block. I determined that the seizing problem was caused by a badly warped and leaking valve, and following up on that, discovered that none of the valves have been adjusted. When I removed the valve spring covers to to change the bad valve and lap and adjust all other valves, I found what may be cracks at the point the cylinder jug attaches to the block inside the engine. In anticipation of this block being warped and cracked, I have searched out and found what seems like a fair deal on a engine and transmission assembly for sale at $200.00. The problem is that the sale of this engine is advertised as a pick up at P.O.S, with no provisions for delivery. I am new to this sort of thing and I need the advise of someone who does this regularly to prevent time consuming and costly mistakes. I am located in Tacoma, Washington and the engine is being sold in Wisconsin. Is it a reasonable gamble, at $200.00, for a 1920's Dodge four cylinder engine, they say has compression, and turns freely, and a transmission, condition unknown, to pay for pick up in Wisconsin, and delivery in Washington State.?


No

 

Someone just wanted me to transport a gas pump like this from Iowa to California for $200 👎

 

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Unless the Buyer or Seller knows someone with a Fastenal Commercial Account - commercial drop shipping is cost prohibitive after you build a crate suitable to withstand multiple loading and unloading and transfer.

 

Swap meets and car shows died last year and until at least June on The West Coast are dead this year.

 

There is no Cheap Transport 🚫

 

 

Jim

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17 hours ago, Trulyvintage said:


No

 

Someone just wanted me to transport a gas pump like this from Iowa to California for $200 👎

 

766F57EB-1CDD-4FC7-8DE0-BEBEB7F7E3E2.thumb.jpeg.aad856a4a6141d6040f4620133c6f46e.jpeg
 

Unless the Buyer or Seller knows someone with a Fastenal Commercial Account - commercial drop shipping is cost prohibitive after you build a crate suitable to withstand multiple loading and unloading and transfer.

 

Swap meets and car shows died last year and until at least June on The West Coast are dead this year.

 

There is no Cheap Transport 🚫

 

 

Jim

All too true Jim. And I do appreciate the input. I talked to Steve on the phone this morning and he has now sold the engine-transmission combo I was considering buying. I have decided that I’m being a bit too pessimistic regarding the engine presently in my Dodge. The previous owner had enough confidence in the engine, I could only describe the work he done in rebuilding it as “beautiful”. I think, if it comes to it, I’ll turn the engine over to Todd Ship Yard in Seattle, for whatever it takes to restore it. They do cast iron repairs so that little block should be a breeze.

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I've made about 2000 freight shipments, I use Globaltranz, I think they are the best all around freight broker. Fastenal really isn't a carrier, it's sort of a sideline thing they do, I've dealt with them a few times, had issues, wasn't impressed with their response, not sure what would happen if they lost an item. The fact they only shipped used stuff is a good indicator of what their response would be. Uship works pretty good too. Freight center is OK but high priced.

 

Keep in mind, if the item is lumber crated in a nice cubical shape with a flat top, it's going right on the bottom. A trick I learned is build the crate with dog house pitch roof on it, they'll always put it on top, if its an engine etc, secure it to a pallet, band it etc then simply pull plastic sheeting over it staple it around the edge, irregular top, goes on top every time. Don't waste your money buying insurance against damage, if it gets damaged, they'll simply say it wasn't packaged properly, that's every carrier I've dealt with, UPS, FedEx, all of them.

 

Ron

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I palletized a rear for a fellow and had it shipped from MD to MO.  The 'buyer' (not from me I was just acting as a middle man) arranged for the shipping. I believed he used fed ex freight? I took it to the shop I use and he got a better rate for using a commercial address. The shop also had a forklift and I believe he got a discount for that as well but I later learned the fed ex truck used his lift gate. I was told the price was around $200. 

 

I looked into fastenal at one time for a package I was wanting to ship. My local branch knew what I was talking about but was less than helpful. They gave me a website to go to, which was confusing at best. I was wanting an estimate and they would only give you a rate once all of the arrangements had been finalized. And yes from what I understand they are not a 'shipping business', but they use empty space on their trucks to make a few more bucks. I have read from some that they have had great success with fastenall though.

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You might want to call your local Fastenal to see if they are even doing this kind of shipping/receiving. I haven't check recently with the ones in the Portland/Vancouver area but they were not doing this because of the C-19, things may have changed. You might be able to find the engine closer to home. There are a couple of guys in Eastern Oregon, Springfield etc that have parts. You might post what you are looking for on the Dodge Brothers page here along with the Dodge Brothers pages on Facebook. I have a 22 block, but it would need to be sleeved and rebuilt.

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