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I bought two new 650:16 bias tires for my Buick but the company was out of tubes so I went ahead and ordered them online from Walmart.The Goodyear dealer that mounted them said the tubes came from China and that the valve stems weren't quite offset enough to fit my wheels properly.They went ahead to install them anyway and they are holding air and look o.k. He said if I got the correct tubes he'd redo them.I don't know if I should drive on them or not,like I say,they're holding air.Greg

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I would not drive on them. Even the tubes one can order from the antique car tire suppliers now seem to loose air. I need to order new tires and tubes 700 x 20 for my Packard as the ones on the car are 40 years old - not cracked and don't look dry but I don't trust driving for some hours at 50mph+ and then have a flat and have to try and change that at the side of the road.There was a saying "you get what you pay for" well perhaps not so much anymore.

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 Nearly three years ago I bought and installed new 7.00 x 17 tires with metal-stem inner tubes my Packard.  The tubes were Firestone label, made in China.  Two plus years of driving, no problems whatsoever, tubes lose about 2-3 psi during winter storage (about 4 months).   Tubes and tires (Bedford Famous Coach) from Kelsey Tire.

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 I hope tubes are better now, but I've had the same issue as mentioned above. Tubes I bought from a big name in the old car business steadily lose air.

 Offset stem might be a different story however as I would be afraid if the stem was rubbing against the wheel with pressure it might sever. I'd discuss them with the installer as only he really knows how it looked when he installed them.

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From a mfg standpoint there is no reason China cannot produce as good quality tube as any source.  I just replaced tubes in all 5 tires on my 31 Buick project car.  I bought mine from Coker tire.  Like everyone else I was disappointed to see the "Made in China" label cast on the tubes but I will say they were extremely heavy with good valves.  I inflated them all to 35lbs in November when I installed them and the car is still on jack stands but I will check the tire pressures in a couple of months to see if they leak down.  By the way some leakage is typical of tubes I have owned over the years including German Metzeler and Continental tires.  The ones I owned in the lat 60's that never seemed to leak were Japanese Nippon tubes that were original equipment on 2 stroke Yamaha motorcycles of the day.

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Greg,

Take a look and give this company a shot⬇️

https://www.blockleytyre.com/category/inner-tubes

The tubes are the thick butyl rubber and are true to size - not one size covering a range.

(That VAT tax does  N O T  apply to US or Canadian buyers - or any other buyer outside the EU.)

I got a set of 5 Blockley’s and tubes last summer. They were on my doorstep from England 5 days after placing the order. Haven’t gotten shipping speed like that from any US company recently.

I won’t go into it too far, but Blockley is one of those rare wonderful companies that was started when a gentleman inquired with all existing companies for a product they didn’t have (speed rated vintage tires in this case) and they told him to go to H even when he offered to pay the R&D costs out of his own pocket. So he thought, “To H with you” and started his own damn company.

Been going just over 20 years now and they are the very best. As I understand it the tires and tubes are made in “Vietnam or Thailand, nowhere else was interested” but they are made in Blockley’s own molds and tooling to his specs and methods and of his own especially selected rubber (which he spends a LOT on) and not the locally supplied cr*p.

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This problem of crappy tubes is not new in this hobby and not getting any better.   I found that "Radail Tubes" are good for

antique cars.   I don't know what makes it a "radial tire tube", or of it's just advertising BS, but somehow they last better.   

American made, I think.    Any tire & tube expert guys out there?

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Well it is,what it is.

I don't sweat a tire loosing a few pounds here there.

With these  crummy old ( and good old cars too) you were told and expected  to do things like check your oil,check your battery ,check your water every week at least...and that goes for your tubed tire's pressure.

Why do you suppose that was?

Cuz shxt leaks,drips and burns away. Some times more then other times.👹

 

 

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Yeah, this is what I thought might do it⬇️
https://www.blockleytyre.com/product/600/650Lx16-tr13

But I honestly do not understand (or care to understand) the more modern tire sizing system anyway. Just the old straightforward outer diameter of the entire tire by the size of the sidewall from the rim - ie. 30x3 1/2. 
650 what? (Like I said I don’t want to know - would probably blow up my mind and I don’t mess with modern stuff anyway. Just drop it off at the shop and pay the bill when I pick it up.)

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Usually written 6.50 is the size of the inner wall in inches. Ever since the P-Metrics from GM the size is measured in mm. 25.4 mm = 1 inch. 6:50"=165mm.

Balloon tires are round so the profile is 100% Low profile started at 90 (%) Early radials were 80, then but 1970 muscle cars got 70s and later 60s. This century we got eraser tires with profiles clear down to 25s. I have not seen a 15. Yet. Racing tires are different.

 

Construction (B, R, S) is in front of the diameter. Big 60s and 70s on 14 or 15 are still available from BFG (have 235x60R15 and 255x70R15 on my Judge.

 

If rong am sure will be corrected.

 

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Quality is quite high on most Chinese made products. If extra costs are required to make a product equal to an American made product the Chinese government will subsidize the difference. I guess they found it is cheaper to wage an economic war that to build tanks and send their children around the world in them.

I have been much more free about Pacific rim goods since November and the stuff is pretty good.

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I bought a set of 525x21 tyres and tubes for my 1926 Nash, from Coker some years ago and requested that they fit 90 degree stems to the tubes, as the valve stem has to come out the rim and go at right angles thru the disc wheel centre. They did not have the right angle stems in stock, so shipped what they had. I tried to get the valve stems changed locally, but was told, we cannot do it, as these tubes are very thin and made somewhere in eastern europe. 

 I decided to fit them as is, one blew around the seam at 5psi before it even got mounted!! I have fitted the other 4, just so I can roll it around, but will never drive the car with these lousy tubes. Can anyone advise where you can buy decent 525x21 tubes with a right angle stem to fit these Nash cars, all I can find are cheap 450x21 Model A tubes, fine for a light Ford but the Nash is heavy.

 

ANOTHER WORD OF WARNING TO DO WITH CHINESE GOODS, CHECK YOUR VALVE STEMS REGULARLY, ESPECIALLY ON TUBELESS VALVES, THEY PERISH BADLY AFTER JUST A FEW MONTHS. WE WERE TRAVELLING AT 60MPH, TOWING A HEAVY TRAILER, WHEN A REAR TIRE VALVE ON THE TOW CAR BLEW TOTALLY OFF THE RIM. LUCKILY THE TRAILER KEPT THE VEHICLE SAFELY ALIGNED. ON INSPECTION THE OTHER 3 TUBELESS VALVES WERE ALSO BADLY PERISHED AND ABOUT TO ALSO BLOW. THE NEW TIRES AND STEMS HAD BEEN ON THE CAR ONLY 2 MONTHS!!

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46 minutes ago, $um Fun said:

I will never by a Chinese product.

I bought a 4000 lb Waren winch for my open trailer and after being used about 10 times the thin cast aluminum housing that hold the gears cracked making it useless. I can still buy the same Waren winch for $450. but I can not buy a new part for it and now junk. So I bought a cheap Chinese for $160. seeing my Waren was made in China also.

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17 minutes ago, c49er said:

Chinese are trying to do us in one way or another it seems.

Chinese junk.

 

We've done it to ourselves. The Chinese are certainly capable of building good quality stuff, it's just that nobody is willing to pay for it. There's certainly an opportunity here for an entrepreneur to manufacture high-quality innertubes for old cars. However, do you think will anyone buy them if they're 30-50% more expensive than what's available now? Unlikely. 

 

Cheap is all that matters anymore. Quality? Pffft. Nobody even asks about anything other than the "deal."

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11 hours ago, RansomEli said:

I just had my second Coker inner tube fail on my '21 Franklin.  Would buy a Blockley but don't see anything to fit my 32x4 tire.

 

P.S.  Sent an email to them - they may have a close Metric equivalent.  

Would you let us know how that inquiry works out?

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The problem is that the majority of all vehicles on the road today use tubeless tires. We are part of such a small market that the companies who make tubes don’t want to invest anything in r&d. The design and engineering worked years ago so it will work today. They just make it as cheap as possible. So they hire China to make them. I would bet that that purchaser for the company doesn’t have an antique vehicle. I just hope that soon rather than later, that some company realizes that good quality tubes are needed. 

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19 hours ago, Joe in Canada said:

I bought a 4000 lb Waren winch for my open trailer and after being used about 10 times the thin cast aluminum housing that hold the gears cracked making it useless. I can still buy the same Waren winch for $450. but I can not buy a new part for it and now junk. So I bought a cheap Chinese for $160. seeing my Waren was made in China also.

 

I wonder if that Waren winch is the Asian knock off of a Warn winch.

The Warn website brags an American Pride, how ever I did not see any made in America claims. (however I did not read the whole website).

I always figured that they were made here in Oregon and i have known employees that worked there.

Warn stuff is expensive and I cant say that I have ever had one, there are no employees that will make a brother-in-law deal as they tell me that it is not allowed.

I bought a 12,000 lb. job from HF a couple of years ago and it is doing its job for far less money.

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From c49er: "I always pay more to buy good quality....never buy cheap import stuff. Waste of time."

 

I'd like to purchase an American-made inner tube but can't find one. If you can find a source for 32x4, please let me know.

 

Ben P:  I've sent an email to Blockley and will share their reply. They make an 815x105 metric inner tube, which is close to 32x4 (812.8 x 101.6). We'll see what they say.  

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