SC38DLS 1,528 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 (edited) 2020 National Historic Vehicle Register Inductees Announced! i can’t seem to get the link to post but the video that goes along with this announcement is really good. Beautiful 1921 Duesenberg and will now be memorialized for all time in the library of Congress. edit This seems to get to the utube site 1921 Duesenberg and 1970 Dodge Challenger added to National Historic Vehicle Register | HVA Edited October 28, 2020 by SC38DLS (see edit history) Link to post Share on other sites
alsancle 4,682 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 2 Link to post Share on other sites
edinmass 11,166 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 (edited) The Duesenberg was recently donated to the ACD museum by the original owners family.........The Dole Pineapple Empire financial backers. The car spent its life in Hawaii. Edited October 28, 2020 by edinmass (see edit history) 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Walt G 3,008 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 SO nice the car was restored to the original sedate colors and not like so many cars in the past 30 years , been restored with bright colors ( ie yellow fenders purple body) and over plated - wheels , door hinges, etc and no extra Trippe lamps mounted to the front. 9 1 Link to post Share on other sites
padgett 2,031 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 So if donated it becomes historic ? Link to post Share on other sites
John Bloom 186 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 18 minutes ago, padgett said: So if donated it becomes historic ? First Duesenberg sold to public........that good looking........“Historic” works for me. 5 Link to post Share on other sites
padgett 2,031 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 NP with the Duesy, it was the Challenger I was wondering about. Link to post Share on other sites
1937hd45 3,127 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Walt G said: SO nice the car was restored to the original sedate colors and not like so many cars in the past 30 years , been restored with bright colors ( ie yellow fenders purple body) and over plated - wheels , door hinges, etc and no extra Trippe lamps mounted to the front. DO NOT post a color photo of that if you have one. Bob Link to post Share on other sites
greenie 187 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 We took this picture 6 days ago at the ACD Museum. I wondered out loud what the roads in Hawaii were like in 1921? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
TTR 350 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 5 hours ago, edinmass said: ...the original owners family.........The Dole Pineapple descendants. Well, I promise not to hold that against them. ^^ Private joke, since I don't like pineapple. 😉 1 Link to post Share on other sites
C Carl 1,791 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 I enjoy the occasional p'apple. But more to the point, I expect those early Hawaiian roads were about as rough as one. Probably close to as sloppy as a rotten one, too. - Carl 1 Link to post Share on other sites
padgett 2,031 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 "what the roads in Hawaii were like in 1921? " Prolly more what was the road in Hawaii like... Link to post Share on other sites
TAKerry 365 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 According to the net Samuel Northrup Castle died in 1894, so it is unlikely he was the first owner. Perhaps one of his children. He was a missionary turned businessman. I didnt see any link of him to Dole pinapple though. Link to post Share on other sites
edinmass 11,166 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 14 minutes ago, TAKerry said: According to the net Samuel Northrup Castle died in 1894, so it is unlikely he was the first owner. Perhaps one of his children. He was a missionary turned businessman. I didnt see any link of him to Dole pinapple though. On his obituary it says........He was the financial backer of the Dole Pineapple empire. Link to post Share on other sites
TAKerry 365 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Would make sense, I saw that he was making money from sugar plantations, one of five major businesses in the Kingdom at the time. Link to post Share on other sites
SC38DLS 1,528 Posted October 29, 2020 Author Share Posted October 29, 2020 I believe Dole owns a whole island in the Hawaiian island chain. It has the factory and maybe a few houses but mostly pineapple groves. Donating this car probably is a good tax write off that won’t hurt their bottom line. Great for people to be able to see the car. I just hope it doesn’t just sit there for years without running. Link to post Share on other sites
edinmass 11,166 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 (edited) The car has been getting out since day one. It is a fresh total restoration.......so it should last 200 years. ACD Museum has a full service shop and takes great care of their cars......unlike 99 percent of the museums. Edited October 29, 2020 by edinmass (see edit history) 5 Link to post Share on other sites
BobinVirginia 183 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 That Dusenberg is rolling artwork! Super cool!! 1 Link to post Share on other sites
1935Packard 661 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 The New York Times had an interesting article and accompanying video about the restoration of this car back in 2013: ]https://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/11/automobiles/its-a-duesie-the-first-in-fact.html 1 Link to post Share on other sites
TAKerry 365 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 10 hours ago, BobinVirginia said: That Dusenberg is rolling artwork! Super cool!! I like those cars for what they are, but this one is by far one of the most beautiful I have seen. Good runner up to the Pierce Arrow. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Graham Man 605 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 I was looking for pictures of the Duesenberg before restoration it must have been pretty rough... Good link for most of the story https://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?9186321-Bruce-Canepa-and-the-restoration-of-the-first-Duesenberg 1 Link to post Share on other sites
alsancle 4,682 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 I didn’t think it was in that bad a shape. But give a Duesenberg to a Porsche shop and voila.. 10k hours later you are done. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
edinmass 11,166 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 (edited) The car had a hard life..........and had “upgrades” if memory serves me. The shop that restored it did a great job.......it was NOT an easy restoration........in fact, It was heroic. To be fair......there was ten times more to the story than published. Fantastic car, and a great shop working out of their comfort zone. Edited October 29, 2020 by edinmass (see edit history) 1 Link to post Share on other sites
padgett 2,031 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Something is tickling a synapse about a gear driven overhead cam from a European motor around 1911. Also any relation to the Miller S8 of the same period also used by Fred and Augie. Link to post Share on other sites
1912Staver 1,227 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 A couple of the old books by Griff Borgeson provide some idea of the early years of Duesenberg . And early OHC engines. The twin cam engine book is pricy , but the Golden Age of American Racing is a lot more wallet friendly. Greg 1 Link to post Share on other sites
BobinVirginia 183 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 (edited) I was planning a trip to Kokomo for the Elwood Haynes Museum next year and I’m gonna add the ACD Museum to my trip! Edited October 29, 2020 by BobinVirginia (see edit history) 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Mark McAlpine 375 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, BobinVirginia said: I was planning a trip to Kokomo for the Elwood Haynes Museum next year and I’m gonna add the ACD Museum to my trip! Definitely hit the ACD Museum. It's worth the trip in itself. (My wife & I have attended all of the AACA Nationals (formerly "Meets") held in Auburn partially because of the ACD Museum.) Give yourself plenty of time to take it all in. The museum has outstanding display signage, but I recommend you still take a tour with one of the docents--they're very knowledgeable, very friendly, and will share a lot of information about the vehicles and history of the companies & personalities not included on the display placards. When you visit the ACD Museum, also visit the National Auto & Truck Museum right behind it. If you have time, also visit the nearby Early Ford V-8 Museum, Kruse Automotive & Carriage Museum, and National Military History Center, all located on the opposite side of I-69 across from the RM Sotheby's Auction Park (formerly the Kruse auction park--there's an interesting back story there). I only visited the Kruse Military History Center & Kruse Automotive & Carriage Museum once about six years ago. I hope both collections are in better shape now than they were then--you could tell they were going through financial hardship at the time because a number of military vehicles had been sold (just the signs and drip pans were in place) and many of the vehicles in both museums had flat tires. Both were nice collections that had seen better days. Note that I don't know the status today of either Kruse museum or if they're even open. Bottom line: I strongly encourage you to visit the ACD Museum. If it fits your schedule, consider attending the 2021 AACA Central Spring Nationals in Auburn on 6-8 May 2021. That way you can over indulgence in antique-car related fun: the AACA show, the RM Sotheby's auction & flea market, and all the nearby museums. (There's usually a great party with live entertainment at the auction park on Friday evening for AACA members and auction participants. It's also a great time to check out the auction cars without a large crowd around.) Edited October 29, 2020 by Mark McAlpine (see edit history) 1 Link to post Share on other sites
edinmass 11,166 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 1 1/2 hours north of ACD is the Gilmore Museum Campus.....a MUST SEE like the ACD Museum also. 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Cadillac Fan 46 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Just now, edinmass said: 1 1/2 hours north of ACD is the Gilmore Museum Campus.....a MUST SEE like the ACD Museum also. In my opinion, the best! (And likely getting even better soon). 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Graham Man 605 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 This picture says a lot about the "as received" condition.... They recreated the headlight supports from the original pictures... My guess it it was pretty bad, they may have been a "Porsche shop" but you need to attend a Porsche Concours d'Elegance to understand that level of competition. The ash body frame of the Duesenberg Model A. “Everybody we talked to about restoring that frame said, ‘We’ll just scan it and make a new one,’ ” Bruce Canepa, the owner of the restoration shop, said. “We said, ‘No thanks.’ ” The body frame restoration took a year and a half. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
1912Staver 1,227 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 The wood does not " look " that bad. Lower sills obviously are bad but still very intact. I imagine they probably saved at least 1/2 of what is in the photo, unless appearances are deceiving. Always hard to tell about wood from a photo.. Greg 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Xander Wildeisen 1,788 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites
edinmass 11,166 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 The wood wasn’t the only issue. The car was extensively modified over the years because of the remote location.........ever try and find Duesenberg parts in the middle of the Pacific Ocean during the war? And, there were more tractor mechanics than super ultra luxury car mechanics on the plantation. We got to assist on several aspects of the car........the shop out west did a fantastic job. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
alsancle 4,682 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 20 hours ago, edinmass said: The car had a hard life..........and had “upgrades” if memory serves me. The shop that restored it did a great job.......it was NOT an easy restoration........in fact, It was heroic. To be fair......there was ten times more to the story than published. Fantastic car, and a great shop working out of their comfort zone. There is no doubt in my mind that the guys at that shop are the best. I'm simply pointing out that many skills transfer, but knowledge of the marque does not. Hence, you are going to pay to teach the Porsche guys Duesenberg Model A. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
edinmass 11,166 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 You are correct. Interestingly after the Model A they have been involved with a Pierce arrow also. Seems the craftsmen there like early stuff also.......... Link to post Share on other sites
wayne sheldon 1,193 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 I have heard and personally seen so many horror stories about modern shops and craftsmen (?) and machinists working on antiques. I took an adult education course (three semesters!) in machine shop about fifty years ago so I could make some parts for one of my cars. The side benefit to me was that it gave me an insight to the mind of the modern machinist! That insight also carries over into people rebuilding modern high performance cars. As a group, they generally have an arrogant belief that people a hundred years ago didn't know anything about what they were doing. Therefore, the "modern machinist" MUST make it better, and do it the way "it should have been done originally". I, and I am sure that you also, have heard that out of their mouths many many times. Of course those of us that know the history, know that the engineers and inventors of so much of what we take for granted today mostly did know what they were trying to do. Their designs reflect the technologies available to manufacturing at the time. Metallurgy as we know it today was in its infancy then. Lubricating oils and fuel quality was terrible by today's standards. And, there were some things that were not yet known, like the advantage of full cylinder water jackets. Also, the expectations of the car were different. Expected speeds were much lower, and expected distances much less. Also, the publics expectations were based on the familiarity with elaborate horse drawn carriages, and the construction techniques of the day. It took nearly half a century for a lot of those expectations to change. I think I digress again. Regardless, thank you both for good words about a "modern" shop that understood and did things right! 1 Link to post Share on other sites
padgett 2,031 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Some tools I use to think about what am trying to do: oscilloscope, lathe, and mill are good examples. It is too easy to design something that cannot be maintained without a chronosymplastic infidibulum and a set of mobius wrenches. Link to post Share on other sites
Fossil 449 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 47 minutes ago, padgett said: chronosymplastic infidibulum and a set of mobius wrenches. Uh yah, what he said. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
BobinVirginia 183 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 (edited) @wayne sheldon Being a modern machinist I have quite a different take on the old parts. I’m often amazed by what was created with the tools of the period. I’ve done both manual and Cnc machine work extensively. The ingenuity and creativity of the early cars was perhaps less impressive than the methods created to make them. Anyone that says “the way it should’ve been done” obviously is a meathead with no perspective on the technology of manufacturing at the time. Edited October 31, 2020 by BobinVirginia (see edit history) Link to post Share on other sites
gossp 507 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 On 10/29/2020 at 3:39 PM, edinmass said: 1 1/2 hours north of ACD is the Gilmore Museum Campus.....a MUST SEE like the ACD Museum also. Excellent recommendation, I am going to go there one week from tomorrow... and bring home my car that has been there for over a year! 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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