CHuDWah Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 The "Attractive Sedan" thread got me thinking (yeah, too much quarantine time on my hands). A coupe is a 5-window with quarter windows and a 3-window without. But a sedan with quarter windows is a 3-window and a 2-window without?? 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Sedan with a window in each door and blank quarter window area is Steelback or Blind Back. I personally use Steeback when discussing that style body. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 I go with "blind rear quarter" and "open rear quarter". But I might have made that up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
36 D2 Coupe Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 On Chrysler and De Soto Airflows the sedans with blind rear quarters are referred to a Town Sedans 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt G Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 Franklin had a town sedan ( 1929-31) , which although looking like a club sedan had a larger rear quarter area and usually/ almost always a padded top as well. I go along with A.J. , blind rear quarter is a term that I have heard or used for decades. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padgett Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 Natural for a license plate camera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 generically, a two-window sedan has two windows on the side, a three-window sedan has three windows on the side. So, yes, it is different than when talking about coupes, where a three-window coupe (and five-window) is discussing all windows other than the windshield. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 What a 7-window coupe with four doors might look like: 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 12 hours ago, Walt G said: Franklin had a town sedan ( 1929-31) , which although looking like a club sedan had a larger rear quarter area and usually/ almost always a padded top as well. I go along with A.J. , blind rear quarter is a term that I have heard or used for decades. So much for me taking credit. 😀 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 22 minutes ago, Matt Harwood said: What a 7-window coupe with four doors might look like: Matt, all the years you have been in business you need me to teach you the lingo? That is a 7-window "Special" coupe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 1 minute ago, alsancle said: Matt, all the years you have been in business you need me to teach you the lingo? That is a 7-window "Special" coupe. Cool. That means I have custom bodywork, does it not? Joking aside, I do have an honest beef with BMW and Mercedes now calling some of their 4-door sedans "coupes" because they have slick rooflines. As if the terminology wasn't already confusing enough. Is there nothing the Germans can't make more complicated? 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Matt Harwood said: Cool. That means I have custom bodywork, does it not? Joking aside, I do have an honest beef with BMW and Mercedes now calling some of their 4-door sedans "coupes" because they have slick rooflines. As if the terminology wasn't already confusing enough. Is there nothing the Germans can't make more complicated? Actually, a little bit of an inside joke. In MB land everyone knows what a "Special Roadster" is. A car that brings 10,000,000 plus. The auction companies started attaching the word "Special" to everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt G Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 Hey MB must have admired Buicks as they had a series of cars named Special pre WWII! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bryankazmer Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 Marketing departments have a long history of blurring clarity. I agree on the 4 door "coupes". Just because it's not a box, it doesn't change the term sedan. Likewise "all weather phaeton" for convertible sedan and now "roadster" for two seat convertible coupe with side windows. "Limousine" for seven passenger sedan without divider. Special prize to Mercedes for the "Phaeton." a sedan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 2 hours ago, Matt Harwood said: What a 7-window coupe with four doors might look like: I wonder why the windshield is no counted??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozstatman Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 (edited) Packard called this body style a "Touring Coupe". Photo from Lebowski's post in this thread. EDIT - Whoops forgot to include photo! Edited September 25, 2020 by Ozstatman (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozstatman Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 It depends on the make, year, and model of car one is referring to. For example, when one states Cadillac "six window" hardtop, what comes to most people's minds are the '59-'60 models where two styles of four door hardtops were offered. And if one wants a "23 window" VW, it refers to a 1951-'63 Type 2 Bus, or a "21 window" from 1964-'67. And '30's Ford two-door coupe lovers have used the term '3-window' and '5-window' probably before I was born!! Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD in CA Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 Greatest Ford ever made, 34 Three Window...(in my yard) ...and the Five Window, eh, its ok (Asilomar, Pacific Grove, CA) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodneybeauchamp Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 14 hours ago, Matt Harwood said: Joking aside, I do have an honest beef with BMW and Mercedes now calling some of their 4-door sedans "coupes" because they have slick rooflines. As if the terminology wasn't already confusing enough. Is there nothing the Germans can't make more complicated? They should be called “Coops”. I was unfortunate enough to be the back seat passenger in a late model small Mercedes four door. I struggled to get in and out of the $&##@ thing, and all the time felt very claustrophobic. High head rests, low roof line and cramped conditions. The driver was shorter than I am, but had his seat back a bit. And I am not tall either. Lucky it was only a short trip, but won’t do it again. Perhaps car companies have lost the plot when designing a four passenger sedan. JMHO Rodney 😀😀😀😀😀😀😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 22 hours ago, Matt Harwood said: I do have an honest beef with BMW and Mercedes now calling some of their 4-door sedans "coupes" because they have slick rooflines. As if the terminology wasn't already confusing enough. Is there nothing the Germans can't make more complicated? The Mercedes Benz, BMW, and VW Passat 4-door coupes weren't the first examples. I believe it was Rover with the P5 Coupe in 1966, which was a four door sedan with a cut down roof and thin door pillars. I believe a "coupe" in any case is where the rear seat room is less that 33 sq. feet, or thereabouts. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 22 hours ago, Matt Harwood said: What a 7-window coupe with four doors might look like: Roof is too tall. A Ruxton might come close, though..... Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Man Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 Graham-Paige also called it a Town Sedan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Dobbin Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 On 9/23/2020 at 6:46 PM, CHuDWah said: The "Attractive Sedan" thread got me thinking (yeah, too much quarantine time on my hands). A coupe is a 5-window with quarter windows and a 3-window without. But a sedan with quarter windows is a 3-window and a 2-window without?? 🤣 For Fords, it's Tudor & Fordor. Never heard of a "2 or 3 window sedan" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 Lincoln's official name for my car was "2-Window Sedan." I just wish it looked as long and sleek as the drawing... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeke01 Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 A five window coup’e Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 On 9/23/2020 at 4:46 PM, CHuDWah said: A coupe is a 5-window with quarter windows and a 3-window without. But a sedan with quarter windows is a 3-window and a 2-window without?? 🤣 3-window: Tudor Sedan. 2-window: Sedan Delivery. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 (edited) On 9/25/2020 at 11:45 AM, Matt Harwood said: In other brands this would be a Town Sedan or a Club Sedan Edited September 26, 2020 by John_Mereness (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hidden_hunter Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 Cadillac called it a 5 passenger coupe or 4 passenger victoria in 22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.H.Boland Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 20 hours ago, John_Mereness said: In other brands this would be a Town Sedan or a Club Sedan Or "close coupled" sedan,as in '29 Buick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 On 9/25/2020 at 11:45 AM, Matt Harwood said: Lincoln's official name for my car was "2-Window Sedan." I just wish it looked as long and sleek as the drawing... The lament of every guy that ever saw a period drawing of his car: "Why couldn't they build it to look like that?" I think the answer would probably be your head would pop through the roof. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD in CA Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 So I guess this is a 1 window...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Man Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 Here is a simple, brief, 72 page explanation… Coachbuild.com And a handy dandy reference sheet from the 1930's. You are not going to believe this but the English, Americans, and French all use their own terms... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne sheldon Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 Linguistics is a fascinating subject to study! Colloquialisms. Why is it always colloquialisms? It is interesting how the favored terms can vary greatly over even short distances, and then change over just a few years. When I had the '25 Studebaker, we always called it a "coach". That was what the Studebaker expert said it was called. Forty years ago, nobody wanted to argue with that. Since that time, calling that body style a "coupe" has become more popular. No argument that there is historic precedence for it to be called a coupe. A few manufacturers back in the day called their cars of that particular style a coupe. However, "two-door sedan" or "coach" were much more common back when the cars of that era were new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 (edited) It all started Preautomobile with a the 12 Window Two door Coach. Bob Edited September 27, 2020 by 1937hd45 (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHuDWah Posted September 27, 2020 Author Share Posted September 27, 2020 On 9/25/2020 at 11:23 AM, Paul Dobbin said: For Fords, it's Tudor & Fordor. Never heard of a "2 or 3 window sedan" Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHuDWah Posted September 27, 2020 Author Share Posted September 27, 2020 On 9/24/2020 at 8:42 AM, Matt Harwood said: What a 7-window coupe with four doors might look like: When I was in high school, many decades ago, we joked about the mythical three-door coupe. (Now watch someone post a picture of an actual one.) 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bryankazmer Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 late 90's Saturn came ina three door coupe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.H.Boland Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 A 1923 Willy's -Knight three door coupe ! A friend used to have one of these ,all in black. Seeing it coming down the road at night gave you goose bumps, like a four wheeled apparition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHuDWah Posted September 27, 2020 Author Share Posted September 27, 2020 On 9/25/2020 at 7:24 AM, 8E45E said: I believe a "coupe" in any case is where the rear seat room is less that 33 sq. feet, or thereabouts. A coupe has no rear seat. 😉 On 9/26/2020 at 9:59 AM, 8E45E said: 3-window: Tudor Sedan. 2-window: Sedan Delivery. Umm, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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