For Sale: 1931 Plymouth PA Deluxe Sport Roadster

[gwells 242]

This Plymouth was restored by Leo Gephart and I bought it at auction in Auburn. It has sidemounts, trunk rack, rumble seat, wind wings and other options. It is a good driver, however, it has been sitting for a while and needs the early hydraulic brakes overhauled plus woken-up from sitting for several years.

 

 $28,000 or best offer.

 

Car is located near downtown Atlanta, in the O4W area, if you're familiar with the city. This car has to go to a new owner.

 

Contact Harry at (404) 234-3506.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[SparkEE 58]

Is the intake flipped upside down or modified for the downdraft carb?  

[gwells 242]

SparkEE, please understand I am posting this info for the seller and what info I provide is all I have.

If you wish to have your question addressed, I strongly suggest you give Harry a call, as I don't think he's as computer-centric as many of us are.

[SparkEE 58]

@gwellsmy apologies, wasn’t paying attention to the fact I was in the “not mine” sub forum 

[HarryJ 24]

Yes the intake manifold is flipped...it was originally equiped with a updraft.

[keiser31 5,853]

It also looks to be sporting a 1933 Plymouth flying lady radiator cap.

[SparkEE 58]

That makes sense, thank you.  It’s pretty close to one of the cars I’m after, just a year too early.  The four cylinder Plymouth’s are surprisingly powerful little cars.  Someone will enjoy this!

[thehandleman 228]

It should have the Carter BB-1 Carburetor, and Keiser31 (John) is correct it has the 33 plymouth flying lady the 31-32 PA and PB share the shorter stubbier Flying lady good Eye fellows also looks like it does not have the 19" wheel or it has the 32-34 plymouth hubcap with 17" wheel But cannot see close enough on that one.

the 1931 had a 58 horsepower four Silverdome and the last year 1932 PB had the 65 horsepower 🙂

[HarryJ 24]

This Plymouth has a PB engine in it...Another note...the car was probably restored in the 60's, 70's and has nitrocellulose lacquer paint on it that is cracking.  I have driven this car 4 or 5 thousand miles since I bought it, It is fast and has good acceleration. Also the brakes (which are hydraulic) need a full overhaul. Someone put an overdrive unit in the drive train of which I have never used. 

[HarryJ 24]

I am asking 24K...but let's talk

[F&J 781]

3 hours ago, HarryJ said:

Someone put an overdrive unit in the drive train

That should be a very helpful sales feature for finding a new owner who wants an early car that can keep up with traffic without revving the engine. 

[thehandleman 228]

Harry are you sure thats OD ? and not the Free wheeling Unit?

[HarryJ 24]

There is an original free wheeling unit and an overdrive.

[thehandleman 228]

I have never seen a OD on a original PB just a freewheeling and vac clutch cannot be oem original some one modified car by shortening driveshaft and put a 35-38 chrysler desoto dodge in it 

 

[HarryJ 24]

Here are some more pics... note the freewheeling knob on the dash and the overdrive switch.

 

 

[thehandleman 228]

We know the 1931-32 had the Freewheeling, the overdrive unit is not factory, so based on having a PB engine in a PA and some modified Overdrive unit that did not come in 1931-32 Plymouths for that matter 33 and 34 Plymouth’s had no Overdrives So I would surmise it was not restored that the car was conditioned at some point, but probably should be sold as a nice Driver, but would never be a Senior winner with a PB engine Good luck with your sale, It still would make super nice fun driver.  I know my 1929 U  Roadster and My 32 PB Roadster are fun I can do 63 mph with my PB silver dome four banger

Cheers

[Ben P. 635]

5 minutes ago, thehandleman said:

We know the 1931-32 had the Freewheeling, the overdrive unit is not factory, so based on having a PB engine in a PA and some modified Overdrive unit that did not come in 1931-32 Plymouths for that matter 33 and 34 Plymouth’s had no Overdrives So I would surmise it was not restored that the car was conditioned at some point, but probably should be sold as a nice Driver, but would never be a Senior winner with a PB engine Good luck with your sale, It still would make super nice fun driver.  I know my 1929 U  Roadster and My 32 PB Roadster are fun I can do 63 mph with my PB silver dome four banger

Cheers

Yeah he said it was added before you went off on your one-man argument (which was and still is a common and sought after addition to make these cars more drivable), never claimed it was ready to be a ‘Senior winner’, you’re not interested in it — so what is your beef?

These comments are typical on a showfield (whispered behind the owner’s back of course) I suggest you keep them there and off the For Sale ads.

 

This Plymouth and the Lincoln would both have a place in my barn — if I had a barn. Sadly, I do not.

The cars are priced right.

[HarryJ 24]

Ben....Thank you for the insight/comments!

[thehandleman 228]

3 hours ago, HarryJ said:

There is an original free wheeling unit and an overdrive.

I am pointing out the things that the car should or shouldn't have keeping it original, Being I have all the early Roadsters, Harry pointed out that the car had original free wheeling unit and an overdrive Not, that’s all Ben P P Maybe someone who is a newbie should not tell a senior member what I can and cannot say, this is a post and forum which means its open to opinion’s thats all I was pointing out he said it was original.And I said It would make a super driver thats what it is! Again Harry wish you luck with your sales

 Ben Pack Sand!

[Ben P. 635]

On 9/14/2020 at 11:27 AM, HarryJ said:

This Plymouth has a PB engine in it...Another note...the car was probably restored in the 60's, 70's and has nitrocellulose lacquer paint on it that is cracking.  I have driven this car 4 or 5 thousand miles since I bought it, It is fast and has good acceleration. Also the brakes (which are hydraulic) need a full overhaul. Someone put an overdrive unit in the drive train of which I have never used. 

thehandleman: You are absolutely correct, this Plymouth will make one super driver.

I can understand the confusion, but no, at no point was it said that the overdrive was original. It had already been said that it was added and was later clarified that the freewheeling was original.

You also managed to answer a lifelong question I’ve had: What makes bullies tick? From your own words, it’s just an obsession with ‘status’ — real or imagined. That would also explain the bizarre phenomenon of bystanders (most of whom would never bully on their own) joining in and piling on. Again, it’s only for the perception of status.

 

I am shocked by how little there was to it.

 

Ben P.

Edited September 18, 2020 by Ben P.
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[Matt Harwood 12,268]

What a lovely little car.

[Matt Harwood 12,268]

Looks almost like a 3/4-scale version of this:

 

[HarryJ 24]

I have lowered the price on this Plymouth to $24,000

[HarryJ 24]

$22,000?

[HarryJ 24]

$21,000?

[jan arnett (2) 194]

On 9/14/2020 at 7:47 PM, thehandleman said:

We know the 1931-32 had the Freewheeling, the overdrive unit is not factory, so based on having a PB engine in a PA and some modified Overdrive unit that did not come in 1931-32 Plymouths for that matter 33 and 34 Plymouth’s had no Overdrives So I would surmise it was not restored that the car was conditioned at some point, but probably should be sold as a nice Driver, but would never be a Senior winner with a PB engine Good luck with your sale, It still would make super nice fun driver.  I know my 1929 U  Roadster and My 32 PB Roadster are fun I can do 63 mph with my PB silver dome four banger

Cheers

I appreciate the comments and insight.  How else are we to learn things.  I know what is correct on  my cars and what is incorrect and I have no problem if someone pointed it out particularly if I would be selling it.  Thanks for your knowledge and insight.

 

[HarryJ 24]

The car was restored completely probably in the 60's; with the PB engine installed and the overdrive. It was set up to be a driver in that era; not a national show winner.

[HarryJ 24]

By the way Jan,....I have better than 70 mph in my PA; and a friend of mine with a restored PB roadster has done in excess of 70 mph also!

[Jim rinehart 1]

I'm interested in your Plymouth is it still for sale

[HarryJ 24]

This is a solid car; for the enjoyment of the driving experience; although, it could be restored for the show circuit.

[HarryJ 24]

$20,000?

[HarryJ 24]

$19,000

[lump 838]

I grew up in the Southern Ohio chapter of the AACA, in the Dayton, Ohio area, where Leo Gephardt had his shop. There were at least two 31 Plymouth roadsters in our AACA chapter, and as a little kid I often rode in the red one with black fenders, which belonged to Carl Pippenger and his family (Carl & his wife are both deceased now, and their roadster sold long ago). But I also remember the other one, which was yellow. IF I recall correctly, it was owned by "Alan Eby" (not sure of spelling, but the last name was pronounced "Eebee.") Anyway, I THINK I recall hearing grownups chatting about that yellow Plymouth roadster, and I THINK I recall hearing them say that its owner drove it really fast...and that it wasn't EXACTLY original. Maybe it is this same car? 

 

I also think there was a boat tailed Plymouth roadster in the area, and I THINK I recall that someone said the body wasn't original. But keep in mind that these memories of mine are strictly vague wisps of recollections. I was not yet old enough to really understand the technical discussions, etc, but just recall the gist of some old discussions at cocktail parties. 

 

I'll have to dig through some of my parents' old photo albums from the SOC of AACA, and see what I might find...

 

By the way, seems to me like a great open car for the price!! 

[JamesR 1,087]

Boy, these things are really pretty. Like Tex-Riv's old Chevy coupe, this roadster proves that Fords weren't the only attractive affordable vehicles in the 1930's.