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The phone rang.....and then the next car adventure starts.

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Early this morning, I received a text from a forum member and twenty five year friend from the CCCA and Pierce Arrow Society. It was a quick note of a obscure car he has known of for years, coming up for sale. I texted him back for more details........although I wasn’t too intrested. I have learned over the years, cars find me when I am not looking, and usually not intrested in them. Suffering car withdrawal from shows and tours, and I haven’t been on a “car adventure road trip” for well over a year for myself, I decided to sniff out the car just a bit. I did ten minutes research, and inquired about the car with him on a follow up phone call. My interest was peaked a bit more..........not too much. A few hours go by, and a few old poorly done photos show up on my phone via text message. A little more research, and I realized this car was really interesting, and a “sleeper” for what era it is. So, I made an offer through the friend for the car sight unseen...............and waited for an answer. It took a few hours, and the call came back. “You just bought yourself a car”.............so, the point of this thread will be the adventure of going to get a car I have never seen, on a platform that I have never seen at any show.............and the is how this “new old car” journey starts. I will “blog” the entire process here just for fun, and to share it with the members. As far as I can determine, there are only three of these chassis/platforms that survive. NO GUESSING or asking what it is.......please don’t ask. I will say, it’s pre World War One, and was 4700-5300 dollars new from the factory. 
 

All of this happened today between 8am and 3pm. More to come..........

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3:30 PM today, a half hour after I purchased the car........And a friend who runs a non profit of sharing and showing pre war cars to school age children calls to ask for some information on an upcoming event. They need more cars for their program for the school children..............and it hits me. I will give them this car for their program. So, here we go......I just bought a car more than 100 years old, and have given it away, so now all I have to do now is pick it up, make if run for the first time in 70 years from what I can deduce, and then deliver up to New England for the kids program. The motivating factor..........I have owned a bunch of neat, early and exotic multi cylinder stuff........but I have never owned a T Head engined car.......until today. And it’s a rather special T Head...........so now the adventure will continue sometime next week. I will blog the trip with my new trusty side kick who helps me around my shop, taking him on our first over the road adventure. As we plan to also look at a few other cars along the way, I hope it will prove interesting for the friends here to follow............and now, the adventure will begin............I expect to hit the road Wednesday or Thursday next week. 

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I look forward to the vicarious thrill of the chase, the capture, and bringing home the trophy! (And I promise to not ask what it is.)

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My concern is that this side tracks you from all the free work you are supposed to be doing for me.

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12 minutes ago, alsancle said:

By concern is that this side tracks you from all the free work you are supposed to be doing for me.

 

 

I got a new girlfriend!..........and it's NOT yours! 😝

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Got some history on the car this morning. At least the story is getting better.........not worse. I always say a good cars keep getting better, and I expect it will continue with this car. It has 11k original miles, and was occasionally used just after the war, when it was last run in 1954. It’s a four speed, and very well made. I’m rather certain it’s a custom body, as it’s all aluminum and looks like a barrel side phaeton of later years. Sucide front doors, and although it’s a seven passenger it has exceptionally good lines. Fenders are steel. It’s never been left outside, so it’s rock solid. Original paint is thin and bare in many places, but I plan to just clean it up and preserve it as is. Probably will need a new top, the rest of the interior looks decent and serviceable with some effort and elbow grease. It’s a 138 inch wheel base, and stands a massive seven and a half feet tall. Tires are 37x5. It’s a monster. My suspicion is it’s a custom batch built body........I’m 90 percent certain the company wasn’t building their own aluminum ash framed stuff at the time.......and this car is possibly the last of its kind, as they didn’t survive making cars after the war. The clutch is an oil bath disk......and the engine is a dual valve T head, four valves per cylinder. Please.......no public guessing as to manufacture. If you must know, send your guesses to me by PM. If you get it right, I will tell you, but you must agree not to spoil it for the others. Thanks, Ed.

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Key here is "quick note of a obscure car he has known of for years," is great when a trusted friend knows the car, makes life much easier.

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10 minutes ago, padgett said:

Key here is "quick note of a obscure car he has known of for years," is great when a trusted friend knows the car, makes life much easier.


It’s always nice to get a good lead from trusted friends. The lead came from David C or Trimacar............one of my partners in crime. We both suffer from the same affliction.........too many cars and not enough time or money. By the time I have this thing sorted and bulletproof COVID will be over, and as I take it to the non profit for them to use, I will stop by Dave’s house for a day or two and let him thrash it around........it’s the least I can do. Now I need to become an expert on a marque that has virtually nothing written about it. Another fun part of the hobby. The other cars we are going to look at are just as fascinating and rare.......should make a good saga as we drive the 1500 mile round trip to pick it up. I’m going to try and have Dave meet up with us when we get to the northern most location. 👍

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Sounds like a great find (even with good help from a trusted friend) but I wouldn’t tell anyone even in a PM. At least three of you already know. Dave, the seller and you. That makes it almost but not quite impossible to keep it quite until you are ready. 
Looking forward to “The rest of the story”. 
dave s 

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Looking forward to this story as it unfolds.

Keep me in mind if you spot my next splurge.

Fun stuff for sure.

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Ed, you had me at "T" head.

A dual valve "T" head with a 4 speed ? Can't be many makes that fit that specification. The suspense is killing me.  A photo or two at least ?

 

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It’s a fascinating car.  I’m good friends with the man who has it, and we’ve done a lot of sharing back and forth on another car he owned.  
 

He’s disposing  of his car collection for personal reasons.  The car that Ed got is a real oddball, I just don’t have time for it, but know it’s going to a good home.

 

The only thing left now is an early twenties TT truck, stake body dump bed, rebuilt engine and rebuilt ruxtell rear end, he’s liquidating well below his investments.  The TT is at $3500, located outside of Roanoke, Va.  If interested email me David.coco@comcast.net.  I can tell you the engine was done by a T expert and cost almost twice what he’s asking for whole thing....

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I’ll give a hint, but it would only help a person who is incredibly knowledgeable about early cars.

 

Its a T-head, four valves per cylinder, as Ed mentions.  But, looking at the engine, you’d not know that it was such an engine.....

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2 hours ago, SC38DLS said:

Sounds like a great find (even with good help from a trusted friend) but I wouldn’t tell anyone even in a PM. At least three of you already know. Dave, the seller and you. That makes it almost but not quite impossible to keep it quite until you are ready. 
Looking forward to “The rest of the story”. 
dave s 

Ed and I did pretty good at the secret part with Vicky. 

Even did good with the 51 Dodge. 

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The more you can keep quiet, the more cars that are offered to you. Being discreet is 90 percent of the sale on interesting cars.

 

I love the chase........and making a car into a driver after sitting 70 years. Being added into the history of the cars ownership is also fun.......100 years from now, the owner will search my name and see all the posting here about the car. Lots of fun......even after I’m dead. It’s a great hobby!

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Ed said no guesses, but I'm pretty sure it's the one and only 1907 Chitty-Chitty-Bang-Bang. So exciting for the kids! 

(And Ed, I'll delete this later to not interrupt your thread here, I promise. Couldn't help myself.)

 

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Leave it, it’s fine. I hijack too many threads, so I never will complain. 

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All my cars have names........somehow associated with the  history Of the car......usually honoring a past owner or family member. This car shall be know as.........”Big Dave” after my friend David Coco............if it wasn’t for him, I wouldn’t have the car. Weather I curse him or kiss him the next time I see  him is yet to be determined.  I sincerely hope I kiss him.......he’s not my type, but one must do what one must do. Stay tuned........COVID and family issues on both ends may delay the pick up a few days. Just part of the adventure!

 

So far.....my favorite part is no one has sent a guess as to what the car is..........NOW THAT’S ENTERTAINMENT!

 

 

Maybe West will do a story on it when I get it back home.

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Can you at least narrow it down a bit ? American built ?

 

Greg

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Yep, American.  A company that built some unusual and different types of cars.  Guesses PM’d to Ed, as he said, don’t post here...

 

I would like to have bought it, but one can only caretaker  so many cars by oneself....Ed has more resources, glad he’s getting it...

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1 hour ago, auburnseeker said:

Ed and I did pretty good at the secret part with Vicky. 

Even did good with the 51 Dodge. 

Yes you did and you both should be commended for your success. It most get harder the more times you do it. We all just have to be patient. 
just hurry up dammit! 
dave s 

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If it is a T-head but does not look like a T-head,  it sounds like it is wearing "Mixter's Top Hat.    Now you have such interest in performance and economy of big T-heads, Ed,  you might be interested in the achievements of the 1907  8 litre Tipo Taunus Isotta Fraschini in the Coppa Florio. ( Similar cars were supplied  to race at Savannah and elsewhere, and two of those still exist.)    Minoia won the Coppa Florio at about 69mph average, using 19.8 gallons of fuel for the 302 mile race.    I can give you page numbers in Angelo Tito Anselmi's book on Isotta Fraschini  ,one of which shows engine cross-section drawing.  It is an approximation of the high efficiency, high performance combustion chamber  that Sir Harry Rickardo and his friend and research colleague Aubrey Evans developed and patented for L-head engines 10 years later.  Of course, you do not alter an original car now.

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Ed, I can't wait for the reveal and the pictures.

And we definitely need action shots of David behind the wheel when the time comes.

That smile will be plastered on his face for days.

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It’s not a Rolls Ghost, or a Pierce 66, but it’s an interesting car that’s not very well known. I haven’t seen one running on it’s own power since the 70’s. Back then I don’t think I would have looked at it that close, but time and experience has taught me about the off brand sleepers that are unusual in design, and still above average performers. The company never made a low end car, and they always had a reputation as one of the best........but they faded away quietly due to the First World War. 

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