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1922 Cadillac Suburban

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On 6/13/2020 at 11:33 AM, j m davis phd said:

call me crazy,

 

I like the 1922 Cadillac, and have restored many a car for my personal use, with never a thought of selling, fyi, yes a sedan is much like a boat, just hull in the water to throw money in, yet, there are so few prefect days to drive an open car, that a sedan is very nice for the not so prefect days.

 

I offered $3,500.00 and only response I received was, where did I live, so, my guess is, $3,500.00 will not buy it, oh well...

Sorry J M davis, I didn't know your offer was only valid for 15 hours lol.  I have been buried in my shop since friday working on my Chevelle, my apologies to you sir.  To be fair for everyone my mother and brother were supposed to pull everything out and get pictures of everything so nobody has any surprises.  The car is 350 miles away from me and I can't just drive over and snap some pictures.  My mother is the executor and she will have the final say.  I am just here to try and get it to a good home where someone will put her back together.

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On 6/14/2020 at 9:22 AM, John_Mereness said:

Well, give the fellow time if you are really interested or prompt him in another day - he is in a difficult spot as he probably wants more for the car, but is new to all of this and not familiar with how problematic it is to restore such things, much less even get them bought and picked up.  Realistically, his best bet would be to find someone VERY local willing to deal with the car, but even they will want a discount given issues. 

 

We are not out to make money on this thing.  It will end up going to the highest offer from someone that doesn't want to part it out .  It would be a shame to part this thing out.

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Having been doing this for many years, I've learned that in many cases, the first offer is usually the best offer. The longer it sits, the less likely it is to find a home. I'm sure moving the car will be a relief to your mother, so I'd encourage her to simply cut it loose and get it out of there so it's no longer a source of concern for anyone. The advice you're getting here is good--there's no pot of gold here, just get it gone.

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to keep things honest and clear, my first, private message to the seller, included my phone number,  and had hoped they would have called, I did send three more messages with no response, and 4 days later and three more messages to the seller, I did a message today, with an explanation,

 

all is good, there are several family members involved, I wish them good luck with their sale, headed back to the shop, finishing up the old Lincoln touring

 

sorry to have troubled the seller and wish them well

 

fyi, IMHO, this old girl deserves to be restored despite the reality of what it is worth when done, but the smiles per mile on a cool fall day is priceless

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I messaged him twice and got two responses .  He said he is taking offers and has no set price and not interested in Ebay.

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1 hour ago, j m davis phd said:

to keep things honest and clear, my first, private message to the seller, included my phone number,  and had hoped they would have called, I did send three more messages with no response, and 4 days later and three more messages to the seller, I did a message today, with an explanation,

 

all is good, there are several family members involved, I wish them good luck with their sale, headed back to the shop, finishing up the old Lincoln touring

 

sorry to have troubled the seller and wish them well

 

fyi, IMHO, this old girl deserves to be restored despite the reality of what it is worth when done, but the smiles per mile on a cool fall day is priceless

Sorry guys I have been in the shop for 4 days working on the Chevelle.  Took yesterday off as well.  Haven't been on the computer since Thursday.  Once I start working on something, I hit it hard and don't worry about anything else.  Supposed to have additional photos today.  House is going on the market in the next 6-8 weeks so the garage will need to be emptied out long before then.

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On 6/10/2020 at 3:20 PM, John_S_in_Penna said:

...I would say that, if you get a single offer, it will be in the

4 digits, and you should happily pass it on to another collector!

 

On 6/10/2020 at 3:56 PM, edinmass said:

John is 100 percent correct..........and the number probably won't be on the high end of four digits. 

 

Mr. GR8, you can count your blessings when someone

has already offered you a decent amount for the value

of your disassembled car.

 

Now that you say you want to have the garage cleared 

in 6 or 8 weeks, a present offer may be even more fortuitous.

An antique car from a less-than-popular era, even when

assembled, good looking, drivable, and realistically priced,

can take a year to sell.

 

No one was being facetious when valuing your car.

You have a bird in your hand now.  I don't recommend

that you wait for one to come out of the bush!

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5 hours ago, John_S_in_Penna said:

 

 

Mr. GR8, you can count your blessings when someone

has already offered you a decent amount for the value

of your disassembled car.

 

Now that you say you want to have the garage cleared 

in 6 or 8 weeks, a present offer may be even more fortuitous.

An antique car from a less-than-popular era, even when

assembled, good looking, drivable, and realistically priced,

can take a year to sell.

 

No one was being facetious when valuing your car.

You have a bird in your hand now.  I don't recommend

that you wait for one to come out of the bush!

At no point have I said I want x amount for the car or denied anyone’s offer. I have no personal attachment and whatever price it takes to get it out before the house sells, is what it is.  I am only trying to help my mother get rid of it. She will have to come to terms with that as well.

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Photos indicate a very nice car before disassembly.........today that car would have never been taken down for a restoration. It's possible the car has suffered from rust on machine surfaces like the rear carrier you can see in the photos.......all part of the gamble of a disassembled car. It's a shame that it doesn't get saved. Maybe a donation to the car restoration college on Colorado? They would take it and assemble it as a class project........maybe the best in memory of the last owner? And a better outcome for all involved?

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42 minutes ago, edinmass said:

Photos indicate a very nice car before disassembly.........today that car would have never been taken down for a restoration. It's possible the car has suffered from rust on machine surfaces like the rear carrier you can see in the photos.......all part of the gamble of a disassembled car. It's a shame that it doesn't get saved. Maybe a donation to the car restoration college on Colorado? They would take it and assemble it as a class project........maybe the best in memory of the last owner? And a better outcome for all involved?

There is a lot of misunderstanding about restoration and how "easy" it is - it literally took 1000's of people to build a car when new and someone wants to go recreate the wheel.  In the 70's though, this car was thought to be part of where the collector car market was going - a worthy project.  Unfortunately, today it takes some serious love for someone to restore a 20's sedan as it is just so labor intensive matched to EXPENSIVE.  The good news is it really does look like this car is in a much better place to handle than most (looks like a super solid project).  I will say I have run around with my head chopped off (and for hours/days) to find a few specialized Auburn bolts/pieces that the fellow who rebuilt the engine lost and makes me want to get Model A Ford's, Mustang's, and 1957 Chevrolet's for my next restoration project (aka certain jigsaw puzzles have their challenges).

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A good bunch of pics, Someone will buy this.

I agree that you wont be able to retire off of it but a good project for the right buyer.

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I like that show Garage Squad......submit the story to them about your grandpa and how you would like to see it back together in his memory etc..Maybe they will come and do it for the show.......

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12 minutes ago, JO BO said:

I like that show Garage Squad......submit the story to them about your grandpa and how you would like to see it back together in his memory etc..Maybe they will come and do it for the show.......

 

Hmmmm?

Stranger things have happened.

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On 6/16/2020 at 3:58 PM, GR8WHITE said:

 I am only trying to help my mother get rid of it. She will have to come to terms with that as well.

 

Something for us to remember.

While we might want this project to move at the speed of a typical car for sale deal, "mom" is likely dealing with the vagaries of an estate and perhaps that includes probate(?)  

We understand the value of a solid offer, but perhaps a court somewhere requires an appraisal? maybe multiple offers?  

 

Mom might also be dealing with lots of other business details and not realize that from many perspectives, this is nothing more than a collection of (scrap) metal that you would have to pay someone to haul away as part of finalizing escrow in a real estate transaction.  

We have experience and know that moving this project is more specialized and will take longer than the job of moving the furniture out of the house. The person dealing with finalizing the estate does not have this experience. Old cars are specialized and are difficult for outsiders to understand. 

We all hope for a happy ending. 

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11 hours ago, edinmass said:

Photos indicate a very nice car before disassembly.........today that car would have never been taken down for a restoration. It's possible the car has suffered from rust on machine surfaces like the rear carrier you can see in the photos.......all part of the gamble of a disassembled car. It's a shame that it doesn't get saved. Maybe a donation to the car restoration college on Colorado? They would take it and assemble it as a class project........maybe the best in memory of the last owner? And a better outcome for all involved?

As Ed suggested, contact McPherson College in Kansas.  If you donate it to them, your Mom could get a tax deduction and the car will get saved. 

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On 6/14/2020 at 5:50 AM, C Carl said:

As Mark accurately predicted, there was no interest at all at $8500 in todays soft and tanking market. At zero bids, the ceiling on this car was not established, much less the '22. The engine on the '22 has been sitting for 40+ years. It may be frozen also. In any case, if not already dismantled, it will need to be at least partially dismantled. Serious expensive damage to valve train components will result from turning the engine for more than a fraction of a degree. Ask Stuart, (Hidden Hunter), about this vulnerability.

 

Yep, that top cover is very fragile with the cam shaft running through it - though thankfully it is an interchange part. Parts for these are hard to find and expensive (e.g $600 for an unusable gas tank because it has a heavily worn gauge in it) If you do end up going down the parting out route let me know and I might be interested in some pieces (can't take a whole car back here to Australia!). They are also huge cars which would make them impractical for a lot of folks I suspect (my 5 passenger coupe below is bigger than a current generation BMW X5) 

 

It's also a bit hard to tell from the photos if this is a type-61 or v63 (v63 has a balanced crankshaft) but I spy in the background of one of the photos the conduit for the spark plugs and in my car these are brass so I'm wondering if they went painted black for the v63. 

 

 

 

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much better shape that a 24 suburban i sold years back. i do like it also. 

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I really hope this car sells to a member here so they can keep us apprised of it's progress going back together.

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Definitely not a V63, as it has 2 wheel brakes. And here for authenticity, is an original unrestored '24 V63 engine compartment. 

 

As to subject at hand : The project you see here is the late '27 sedan I mentioned earlier. Offered to me for $3000 in a stronger market 4-5 years ago. Most likely an easier project than the '22, in that the chassis was still intact, the complex mechanical brakes unmolested and all there in place. Engine ? Sure, the blocks have been pulled, (and we still don't know anything about the '22 engine), but the entire drive train has not been dismantled and scattered. Other advantages, some apparent, others not so much. This rock solid, rotless, rustless specimen lurked amongst quite a stash of project cars, 'teens,'20s, a bit of early'30s, that mostly flathead Ford with speed equipment galore. Early '20s Rolls- Royce far more together than most of its "cell mates", perhaps ready to go through a standard revival sequence. Late '20s RHD flathead Marmon phaeton. Marmon speedster project. Aerocar.  '13 Buick, etc. If I had been offered the car BEFORE I started work on my '27 which I had bought a couple or three years earlier, (in a stronger market yet - albeit already in decline as witness my purchase for $12k),  I would not have let it go. And yes, for me, it would have been a parts car. I do hope the new owner has saved it. It is a much more valuable, (if in fact value is still there at all), sedan than the '22. I hold restorers of 4 door sedans in the highest level of esteem. So few old car nuts give them the respect they deserve. Of course I love them very much, have for almost all of my 76 years, and I hope someone has the love, $$$$, talent and time to come collect these parts and make a car out of them.

 

The pic here is at Tad's, out East of Portland, during an early shakedown cruise with chicken dumplin's the reward for good behavior. You see it exactly precisely as acquired, save for my addition of the turn signals under the visor. 

 

If seeing this project put back on the road has any importance to the owners, and if they want to move it out before it depreciates further in this tanking market, and with respect to the brave new world we must recognize, my recommendation is to sell to someone SOON, (I seem to recall that there is some time imperative operating here), bearing in mind Matt Harwood's evaluation. I believe there are 20 some type 61s in CLC. I don't have my current directory with me, but earlier ones will serve. There is some forward and back compatibility of some few components, and this may find a buyer through Hemmings as exactly what it is. Already dismantled parts to sustain another 61, or perhaps several. Looks like kind granddad had a propensity for dismantling, and walking away. Luckily he merely beheaded the Hupp.    

 

Hey now ! If this stuff has to be moved "out long before" 6-8 weeks from several days ago, I highly recommend taking the next money someone offers. As Matt also reminded us, the longer things like this sit on the market, the less they bring. I don't think it is my binnitch to make specific recommendations, but if you have rejected any offers, or driven someone to come to his/her senses, perhaps a LOWER counter offer could flush the now bird in the bush back to hand. GR8WHITE : You done flat ran out of time ! Glad you don't have to flog the Hupp !

 

Am I off-base in any of my perceptions here.? I believe in objective reality. Any reality check needed ? Thanks,   -   Carl 

 

 

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14 minutes ago, C Carl said:

I believe there are 20 some type 61s in CLC. I don't have my current directory with me, but earlier ones will serve. There is some forward and back compatibility of some few components, and this may find a buyer through Hemmings as exactly what it is. Already dismantled parts to sustain another 61, or perhaps several.


 

There’s not that much activity on the type 61 front, I would hazard a guess that there wouldn’t be much more than 5 running at the moment 

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So where are the current values / demand sitting for veteran V8 Cadillacs. 1915 - 1918?

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1 hour ago, OnSafari said:

So where are the current values / demand sitting for veteran V8 Cadillacs. 1915 - 1918?

 
Pretty soft but early cars seem to do a bit better, though condition is critical

 

 I had to move mine about 30 mins ago and they really are a fantastic car once they’ve been through. Pump up fuel pressure to 1lbs, step on the starter and almost instant start even after it hasn’t been run for weeks - shifts nicely and easy clutch. What is different from a lot of early cars is they actually have pretty decent visibility, compared to our 26 Buick it’s much easier to tell where all four of the corners are

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