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I am currently rebuilding a Buick, but I doubt the year and the model, as the papers received differ from the identification plate on the vehicle.
I am enclosing photos.

 

certificate of title.jpg

what i find on the engine.jpg

Voiture arrivée.jpg

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The model number "60" is the same thing as 67. You will hear people around here refer to "60 series", "40 series" etc. Buicks come in more than one size, it is not just trim differences like on many newer cars. "60" series would refer to all Buicks with that chassis, sedan or coupe or whatever. "67" would mean a specific model, probably a sedan in this case.

 

In days past, it was common for some states to title cars to the engine number rather than the chassis number. It does create an issue when an engine is replaced because the paperwork no longer matches the car. Check your engine number, it may match.

 

Welcome to the forum!

 

 

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2 hours ago, Bloo said:

The model number "60" is the same thing as 67. You will hear people around here refer to "60 series", "40 series" etc. Buicks come in more than one size, it is not just trim differences like on many newer cars. "60" series would refer to all Buicks with that chassis, sedan or coupe or whatever. "67" would mean a specific model, probably a sedan in this case.

 

In days past, it was common for some states to title cars to the engine number rather than the chassis number. It does create an issue when an engine is replaced because the paperwork no longer matches the car. Check your engine number, it may match.

 

Welcome to the forum!

 

 

Yes, 60 is the series, the second digit defines the body. A 67 is a flat back sedan, a 61 is a trunk back sedan - or club sedan in Buick speak. 

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3 hours ago, nzcarnerd said:

Yes, 60 is the series, the second digit defines the body. A 67 is a flat back sedan, a 61 is a trunk back sedan - or club sedan in Buick speak. 

 

Yes, as NZcarnerd noted,  60 Series flatback sedan.

I had, for years, been looking for a 68C - 60 Series 4-door convertible sedan.

 

My former 34 Buick was a Series 50 Model 57 ,

But I was almost lucky enough to get a 98C before a Resto-Modder got it

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This is a right hand drive 68-C, the only big series Buick imported into NZ in 1934-35. Known history - mostly - remained relatively original but deteriorating condition with the same owner from the mid 1960s until his a death about ten years ago. Restoration by the current owner with assistance from professionals. He drove the project and made sure things were done correctly.

 

I am not sure just how many survivors there are of these. Who is it - name escapes me - who had a registry of '32-'35 Buicks - listed about ten in countries other than the USA when I had a copy about 20 years ago.

 

 

34 BHF396 Buick 68C MCM20 ccap.jpg

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12 hours ago, nzcarnerd said:

Yes, 60 is the series, the second digit defines the body. A 67 is a flat back sedan, a 61 is a trunk back sedan - or club sedan in Buick speak. 

thank you for your answser

 

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I am currently redoing the interior woodwork and in particular the side rails, but I have no dimensions.
Do you have documents or has someone done this work?

 
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What type of wood are you using? I think it was originally ash but not sure about the sills.Luckily the wood in my 35 isn't too bad.Greg

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In days past, it was common for some states to title cars to the engine number rather than the chassis number = very true !!!

 

I am surprised you could get the car from United States to France with a mismatched serial number from the "plate" to the title (aka the number could be an engine number and was found allowing transport).  Unfortunately, if not you will probably need to get a title with a matching identification number to the plate. 

 

Or if someone reproduces the little serial number tag get one made to match the number on the title - you technically own the number registered on the title. 

 

Perhaps a prior owner had more than one 1934 Buick and gave you the data serial tag for another car or perhaps they gave you wrong title (just bought a title) that has no relation to the car. 

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I thought 34 60 series had four horizontal hood vents,wind splits,and the 40 series had three. Please correct me if I'm wrong.Thanks,Greg.

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20 hours ago, nzcarnerd said:

This is a right hand drive 68-C, the only big series Buick imported into NZ in 1934-35. Known history - mostly - remained relatively original but deteriorating condition with the same owner from the mid 1960s until his a death about ten years ago. Restoration by the current owner with assistance from professionals. He drove the project and made sure things were done correctly.

 

I am not sure just how many survivors there are of these. Who is it - name escapes me - who had a registry of '32-'35 Buicks - listed about ten in countries other than the USA when I had a copy about 20 years ago.

 

 

34 BHF396 Buick 68C MCM20 ccap.jpg

I like reds, but this is an unfortunate choice of red. It's far too beautiful and valuable a car to look like just so much fire brigade equipment. I suppose that maybe where he lives fire engines are painted another color.

 

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8 minutes ago, Hudsy Wudsy said:

I like reds, but this is an unfortunate choice of red. It's far too beautiful and valuable a car to look like just so much fire brigade equipment. I suppose that maybe where he lives fire engines are painted another color.

 

 

The red on the car is an approximation of what was on it when it was new.  It is quite different to fire engine red. Before about 1950 they were bright red, then went to a dark red and in more recent years have adopted brighter colours.

 

There is a range of the colours in these 2010 photos, taken during the local brigade's 150th anniversary parade - http://www.111emergency.co.nz/A-C/Chch150th3.htm

 

Currently our fire engines look like this - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_Fire_Service

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24 minutes ago, Hudsy Wudsy said:

I like reds, but this is an unfortunate choice of red. It's far too beautiful and valuable a car to look like just so much fire brigade equipment. I suppose that maybe where he lives fire engines are painted another color.

 

 

I took these of the same car at the same event four years earlier.  Due to light variations the true colour can be seen - a maroon that is quite different to fire engine red. 

 

 

34 68C engine MM 0116 a.JPG

34 68C l MM 0216 a.JPG

34 68C MM 0116 (1024x768).jpg

34 68C r MM 0116 a.JPG

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1934 series 40 = 117" / 2972 mm wheelbase

1934 series 50 = 119" / 3023 mm wheelbase

1934 series 60 = 128" / 3251 mm wheelbase

1934 series 90 = 136" / 3545 mm wheelbase

Engines also vary

Series 40 a 93-hp, 233-cu.in. engine;

Series 50 a 88-hp, 235.3-cu.in;

Series 60 a 100-hp, 278.1-cu.in

Series 90 a 116-hp, 344.8-cu.in.

Link---> https://www.classiccarcatalogue.com/BUICK 1934.html (may not be accurate)

 

The other threads on this car

https://forums.aaca.org/topic/345391-parts-for-buick-sedan-1934/

https://forums.aaca.org/topic/344406-buick-sedan-model-67/

https://forums.aaca.org/topic/345589-woods-parts-buick-1934-series-60/

https://forums.aaca.org/topic/345588-buick-sedan-1934-serie-67/

I have suggested to the moderators these threads be moved to the Buick prewar subforum, where the owner may get more responces

 

Off topic 1

Carjam.co.nz does have some unusual entries. Many are simple typos that could be fixed

https://www.carjam.co.nz/nz-fleet/?order_by=count_desc&year=&make=ZEPHYR&model=

Valiant as a make and not a model of Chrysler  (as made in Australia)

Zephyr (Ford) cars and caravans as a make

Whippet and Whippett (Typo)

Vintage as a make

The makes of Steam Engines are not well supported

 

Off topic 2

The NZ 1934 68C color is not "fire engine red"

Is an impressive car.

buick02.jpg

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4 hours ago, 1939_Buick said:

1934 series 40 = 117" / 2972 mm wheelbase

1934 series 50 = 119" / 3023 mm wheelbase

1934 series 60 = 128" / 3251 mm wheelbase

1934 series 90 = 136" / 3545 mm wheelbase

Engines also vary

Series 40 a 93-hp, 233-cu.in. engine;

Series 50 a 88-hp, 235.3-cu.in;

Series 60 a 100-hp, 278.1-cu.in

Series 90 a 116-hp, 344.8-cu.in.

Link---> https://www.classiccarcatalogue.com/BUICK 1934.html (may not be accurate)

 

The other threads on this car

https://forums.aaca.org/topic/345391-parts-for-buick-sedan-1934/

https://forums.aaca.org/topic/344406-buick-sedan-model-67/

https://forums.aaca.org/topic/345589-woods-parts-buick-1934-series-60/

https://forums.aaca.org/topic/345588-buick-sedan-1934-serie-67/

I have suggested to the moderators these threads be moved to the Buick prewar subforum, where the owner may get more responces

 

Off topic 1

Carjam.co.nz does have some unusual entries. Many are simple typos that could be fixed

https://www.carjam.co.nz/nz-fleet/?order_by=count_desc&year=&make=ZEPHYR&model=

Valiant as a make and not a model of Chrysler  (as made in Australia)

Zephyr (Ford) cars and caravans as a make

Whippet and Whippett (Typo)

Vintage as a make

The makes of Steam Engines are not well supported

 

Off topic 2

The NZ 1934 68C color is not "fire engine red"

Is an impressive car.

buick02.jpg

 

Yes, re carjam, there are many spelling mistakes sometimes perpetrated by owners who reregister a car after restoration.

 

On facebook recently one owner of a certain model of Austin Westminster wondered why his was the only one on carjam. His car was spelt Wesminister - one letter can make a lot of difference.

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On 6/6/2020 at 12:33 PM, Buick35 said:

What type of wood are you using? I think it was originally ash but not sure about the sills.Luckily the wood in my 35 isn't too bad.Greg

i use oak

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On 6/6/2020 at 6:02 PM, John_Mereness said:

What type of advice would you like  ?

 

I would like to have advice on the measures of the woodwork, the attachment points, in particular the rear floor, the fixing methods ...

 
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2 hours ago, Battaglia said:

I would like to have advice on the measures of the woodwork, the attachment points, in particular the rear floor, the fixing methods ...


 

 

A Fisher Body Service Manual for 1934 will help your endeavours

 

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1934-fisher-body-service-manual-gm-249384301

 

They are available as reproductions from various internet sources including ebay.

 

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GCEA_enAU897AU897&source=univ&tbm=isch&q=1934+Fisher+Body+manual&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwib69H4pfnpAhUJyzgGHXWyBOkQsAR6BAgKEAE&biw=1366&bih=625

 

 

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On 6/7/2020 at 5:58 AM, Buick35 said:

I thought 34 60 series had four horizontal hood vents,wind splits,and the 40 series had three. Please correct me if I'm wrong.Thanks,Greg.

The black car with the cloth cover has its hood mouldings removed. Yes it should have four mouldings, but has three vents.  Compare it with the coupe in the other post near this one - same set up, even thought it is a Series 50. 

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4 hours ago, 50jetback said:

I have this manual, but there is no measurement or dimensions in this book

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