Can anyone identify this early wood and metal car chassis

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55 minutes ago, wheelwright said:

W. Higgins is the 1907 Deere Ad from Motor Age 1907 not the Autocar II in the picture ? Did Deere mislead people on their association to Autocar with this 1897 Phaeton picture which appears to be Autocar or did William E. Clark also build a Phaeton the same year as Louis Semple Clarke in 1897 that also has shaft drive ? I think the years are in question.


Where in the ad does Deere indicate that they are associated with Autocar?  If you're merely going by the photo those are two entirely different cars.  The Autocar's engine is mounted high up inside the body where you can see the crankshaft sticking out the side beneath the seat so you can insert the hand crank.  The works are barely visible below the body.   Deere indicates that their engine is hanging below in the front and can be started from the driver's seat.  The Deere ad clearly shows all the works exposed and mounted on the chassis well below the body.  The Autocar has wire spoke wheels and the Deere's are wood.  Even the bodies are different in numerous ways.  Trace the outline of each one and they are different -- Autocar is concave in the back where the Deere has a straight angle the reverse of that, the dashes are different, just about everything when you really get down to it.


I don't see how this is anything other than two different guys in two different far-apart locations where one went onto success and the other did not.  The story of William Clark is that he spent years trying and failing and begging for financial support to chase his dream while at the same time Louis Clarke had money and connections and did what he intended without all the failures and restarts by selling hundreds and hundreds of cars long before Deere-Clark was ever organized. 


Why are you trying so hard to tie these two men and two companies together?      

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The Autocar Company of Ardmore, Pennsylvania made the first shaft drive car in November of 1901 and that car is recognized as the first shaft drive automobile produced in the United States of America and is today in the Smithsonian institution in Washington, D.C. for that reason. All prior machines produced by The Autocar Company were chain driven. This is undisputed and it is also easy to claim ten years after the fact that William Clark actually built a shaft drive "automobile" in 1897. Since we are only shown half of the text in your advertisement, perhaps your "proof" is in the other half? The 1901 Autocar type VI in your posted advertisement is a chain drive automobile.

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