auburnseeker

Beware of a new scam I had pulled on me in broad day light.

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Reporting this to the police may be easy for any of us to say and understandably hard for you to do, but I believe you have already shown bravery, if you will, by posting this whole story. As others have said you may have a good case for police to follow up. You have a time line, possible pics of perp from Walmart security, knowledgeable info of car they were in ( you’re really very good on that type info), possible receipt for your cash withdrawal to show amount, email trail for IP address they used, and the fact you are a good tax paying citizen is all in your favor. You are good enough to accept the fact this happened and are willing to share that so we don’t have the same thing happen to any forum members.  I would think it would make it easier so others not on the forum would also be protected from turkeys like this. 
Randy, I don’t know you personally but I really respect what you have posted here to help us all. I hope this can possibly turn out ok but no matter what happens please know I think we have all benefited from your loss by the courage you have shown with this action. 
if I had the cash for your wheels and tires for Miss Vicky I would buy them for you. 

dave s 

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What keeps people civilized, (Civilized behavior/norms) (People of all diverse cultures) Its the fear of retribution by their peers. 

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What information other than whatever the Emails could provide and a picture of the guy if they could find it wearing a ball cap on the walmart camera as well as a receipt for a cash withdrawl is about all I have.  I never got to see the car or I would have had that to atleast go on and definitely pursued it.  When I pulled in, I called him and he said he was in Walmart with his wife and would be right out, then came out a minute or so later.  HE then went back in to get his wife.  No car to ID.  With that I would have had a solid lead.  With all the unrest in the country and looting even not far from Saratoga, I would rather the cops use their effort to bring those people to justice.

 

I have a mighty weak case at best.

Many say the emails would have tipped them off,  but many of the responses I get are the same way.  Many of the errors if you look are most likely from using a tablet without a real keyboard and the person sending it not caring about presentation.  Think not only about the ads but legitimate responses we have gotten from ads placed on facebook or Craigslist.  I've even had similar responses and questions through ebay questions.   Remember a Father that collected car literature might not necessarily be a well educated man that reads the classics but like some of us,  myself included,  appreciate the artwork and cars they grew up with.  Also remember many sons are nothing like their fathers.  Could even have been an adopted son.  I can tell you my adopted son is nothing like myself in ay way and even I am much different than my Father.   I just care how my responses and threads are written as I like to project myself as possibly being intelligent especially to someone I have just met.

 

Ironically I have had a similar ongoing buy between two brothers in Illinois that are fighting over their Father's collection.  I have bought a couple thousand dollars worth from the one and they shipped it in with me sending payment first a few times.

Anyone dealing in parts or other estate related collectibles all have strange stories of purchases they have made.  

 

Yes he will get away pretty much scott free, but I was hoping by putting this out there it might prevent someone else from getting scammed.  I can't imagine he is the only one pulling this scam.  So mention this scam to anyone you know that might have similar dealings with something they collect.

 

The shocking part is the face to face meet in a public place to perpetuate the scam.  If it was strictly an internet scam I probably wouldn't have proceeded and read into things deeper like I usually do. Maybe that's what caught me off guard the most wanting to meet up to complete the deal. 

 

Regardless of what you are buying or selling would any one of you expect a criminal to meet you in a public place to rob you in daylight with the likely possibility of being seen by a camera and especially one they weren't familiar with? They were more in my territory than theirs.    That's what I want to point out about how brazen the whole deal was.

 

Yes we have all had deals where we got screwed on cars we bought but atleast you had the car. 

 

 

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Scams are sadly a part of it.  Back around 79 or 80, friends put a deposit on a 36 Ford owned by a fellow hobbyist in CT.  Seller and buyer both had nicely restored late 30s Chevies but did not really know each other otherwise.  Still, some common ground.  My friend gave a 50% deposit after seeing the car at a local show, a project but sound enough, on a trailer.  Well, my friend ran into countless stall tactics from the seller when it came time to complete the deal.  The excuses continued for close to a year.  He would say he was delivering the car and never show, etc.  Started not returning calls.  This over somewhere's around $1,000.  Local guy as in living in tiny CT. They (my friend and his retired police officer dad) finally showed up unannounced, with tire irons in hand noting the creep's restored Chevy could suffer a lot more than a grand in damages and got said deoposit back.  It was expedient and the seller knew better than to threaten to call police himself.  What a ballsy SOB though.  I have heard of other stories with worse outcomes though Randy.  Sadly trust is common in our hobby but it seems to draw some real dirtbags as well.

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I would second those who encourage you to report it. Things like the IP address from which the E-mails were sent can direct them to a specific computer at a specific location and that's just the tip of the iceberg in terms of information that can be gathered. Another poster on this very message board started sending me anonymous threats from a free Yahoo account a few years ago. By providing his E-mails to the guys who do this every day, they were able to identify the computer and eventually the person sending them. There's a lot of information in those messages that isn't part of what you can see, and that information is far more important than the words themselves.

 

I also expect that this scammer has pulled this on other people--you are definitely not the first person he has targeted and robbed. There is undoubtedly a file on him with a police department somewhere, if not multiple departments, and because of that it is probably a higher priority for them than you might imagine. I guarantee you are not alone and there's probably some police person looking for him already. Your additional evidence could be the break they need.

 

The longer you wait, the less likely some evidence will be available to be collected (security footage, for example). I know it's a PITA to report it and you have serious doubts as to whether it will do any good, but I promise you are not alone. You posted here showing great courage and integrity with the hope that it would protect someone else from being taken in the same way. A police report will be FAR more effective at doing that and is much more likely to result in justice for you and past/future victims of this scammer.

 

Reporting it will do far more good than you think. Current situations notwithstanding, the gears of justice turn slowly, but they do turn.

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If the theft isn't at the least reported you are not doing your civic duty. It is cheap and easy to do and you can then forget the incident. Maybe nothing will be done but at least there will be a report. It is our job to not turn the other cheek when it comes to crime.

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Randy, all this advice is easy to give. You have the hard part of making the decision on what to do. Maybe if you say an absolute you will report it or you won’t and then you won’t be getting all of these opinions. Either way I believe the people on this forum will accept and support your decision. 
Hopefully  you can get back to enjoying your buying and selling the literature and not let this incident affect any of that process. 
dave s 

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I dealt in literature, vehicle and otherwise, as a hobbyist, for probably twenty years in the 80s and 90s period...in the dozens and dozens, maybe hundreds, of mail transactions, buying and selling unseen, I  can only remember one time when I sent an item and didn't get paid, and several times I had dealers send more than i was asking...consequently, it's all too easy to develop a kind of 'this's an honest bunch of people' outlook...

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Randy,

 

Sorry to her of your situation.   Seems like there are low-lives hiding under every rock.

 

I'd file a police report and then you might be able to claim an uninsured loss on this year's income tax.   Talk to your tax guy to see if this is a viable alternative for you.

 

Harold

 

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Nothing to do directly with the scam, but I mentioned I had a Lady sending me in some literature without paying or even making an offer on it.  She said just make me an offer once you get it.  Well here are a few shots of just a couple of pieces.  Now of course these are some of the better pieces but alot of prewar stuff in the collection.  2 boxes full with a little over 200 pieces.  I already made her an offer she gladly accepted and she is happily working on the next batch.  

It does reassure you that there are still good trusting people out there and the few crooks just ruin it for the rest.

 

I also asked her if she came across any old car photos 40's and back I would be interested in those.  Maybe I'll be able to buy some we haven't yet seen to add to the ongoing vintage car photo thread.

 

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Boy, what else can I say that hasnt been said. This really stinks. But I would def. contact the local police dept. Have you tried to contact the guy back by any chance, maybe with a diff. email or phone? 

 

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4 minutes ago, TAKerry said:

Boy, what else can I say that hasnt been said. This really stinks. But I would def. contact the local police dept. Have you tried to contact the guy back by any chance, maybe with a diff. email or phone? 

 

I only tried contacting him through the phones I had previously used.  Good Idea though.  Maybe still a way to track him in which he will answer.  He told me it wasn't his regular phone as he broke his regular phone.  He had most of the angles figured.  My guess is he tossed the phone though. It wasn't a regular phone registered to anyone in particular.  It just showed a location of Fort Anne , a farming town,  which is a few towns in the other direction.  

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Yea, most likely a burner, i think i would still use a friends phone and call, if he answers just say your looking for so and so and you dialed a wrong number. I think if they really want to the police can pinpoint a phone signal.

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Your right most of the people out there are good trusting souls. It’s a shame we all have to be so careful because of a few crooks and low life’s. Looks like the lady sent you some nice stuff, maybe enough to make up your loss and the wheels and tires will be in reach soon. 
dave s 

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I believe she has several more shipments.  Must have been a pretty big collection.  Best part is I can buy just the older stuff, unlike other collections where i had to take all the late model stuff.  If she were closer i would just go over and take it all and figure it out later but since she has to ship it to me,  no sense in making her do extra work shipping stuff I'm not interested in. 

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Attitude like that is why people trust you. Hope it works out to be a great collection. 
 

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Sorry about the scam. 

 

I hope that woman and her collection turn out to be a great transaction.  

 

That thief may have taken your money, but you have your integrity, a positive attitude and an honest reputation.  I hope you file the police report.

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On 6/1/2020 at 1:32 PM, JFranklin said:

If the theft isn't at the least reported you are not doing your civic duty. It is cheap and easy to do and you can then forget the incident. Maybe nothing will be done but at least there will be a report. It is our job to not turn the other cheek when it comes to crime.

 

Many years ago, back when I was in my 20s and still living in Brooklyn, someone stole all four wheel covers from my car during the night.  It was the first decent car that I had that wasn't a hand-me-down or held together with wire and tape and boy, was I mad.  That cop looked at me like I was crazy because I wanted to file a report -- for four stolen hubcaps!  Nothing came of it; I didn't expect anything would.  But I felt it was my duty to tell them and their job to know what was going on in their precinct.

 

  

 

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I know that many parts of the country are better than Califunny (I do call it that for long running reasons). It has been terrible here for decent people for decades! Almost forty years ago, I witnessed a multiple hit and run, driver likely drunk weaving all over the road in heavy traffic. First hit another car, then sideswiped me sitting in my properly parked old pickup (no serious damage). The driver was clearly a menace to everyone near him, so I called 911 (from inside the parts dealership I had just made a purchase). My thought was that just maybe they might have a patrol car nearby and could possibly stop him before doing serious harm to someone (like maybe hitting a pedestrian?). Instead, I got asked, and I quote, "Well, what do you want US to do about it?" They then told me that IF I needed a patrol officer to file a report for insurance purposes, they might be able to have one meet me in about three hours. So if I sound disgusted by law enforcement? I have now on this thread told two of dozens of reasons why.

 

I do think that maybe you should file a report, for good reasons given by others here. But in Califunny?

Remember, in politics, Califunny leads the nation, so brace yourselves. 

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Thinking about it, would it be possible to report this as a theft and make an insurance claim? 

 

I think it be okay, and my insurance agency would react on such situations.

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